Remote Start on an M6

[larryt1026]

Originally Posted by Russell James

The trans can be put in gear after shut off.

Hope you have good liability insurance.

Well the car shuts off and locks itself when he is outside of the vehicle so he will be able to put the car in gear after it shuts off..

[djb525]

Originally Posted by Russell James

The trans can be put in gear after shut off.

Hope you have good liability insurance.

Yes it can be, but not without triggering the alarm, or breaking a step in the process. How can the car be put in gear, without opening the door, windows, or triggering the alarm?

[Rip]

Originally Posted by djb525

Yes it can be, but not without triggering the alarm, or breaking a step in the process. How can the car be put in gear, without opening the door, windows, or triggering the alarm?

Can you lock it without actually exiting the vehicle? That's the only way I could see a potential problem, but then why would you try remote start if you're still sitting there?

[djb525]

Originally Posted by Rip

Can you lock it without actually exiting the vehicle? That's the only way I could see a potential problem, but then why would you try remote start if you're still sitting there?

You can, you would first have to open, and shut the door. Then you could lock the car, and it would think that you are outside the car. Just don't move or it will trigger the shock sensor and kill the remote start fail safe.

[Russell James]

After your shut off procedure, before you get out, push the shifter into gear.

[TommyTSquared]

Originally Posted by djb525

Yes it can be, but not without triggering the alarm, or breaking a step in the process. How can the car be put in gear, without opening the door, windows, or triggering the alarm?

Originally Posted by Rip

Can you lock it without actually exiting the vehicle? That's the only way I could see a potential problem, but then why would you try remote start if you're still sitting there?

Really, if someone leaves it in gear then that's the fail point or user error. If the start will NOT work while the car is in gear, this eliminates that failure point though. So basically, if the system can check for e-brake engagement with the shifter in neutral and fail should either of those not be met, there shouldn't be a problem.

[Smoky10]

Also one last question from me. Using this system renders the factory system completely useless?

[Russell James]

Originally Posted by TommyTSquared

Really, if someone leaves it in gear then that's the fail point or user error. If the start will NOT work while the car is in gear, this eliminates that failure point though. So basically, if the system can check for e-brake engagement with the shifter in neutral and fail should either of those not be met, there shouldn't be a problem.

It can't, this trans has no gear position sensing. This is relying on a shut down process, and then assuming the shifter is not moved after engine shut off.

[djb525]

Originally Posted by Russell James

After your shut off procedure, before you get out, push the shifter into gear.

The only way to put it in gear would to specifically put it in gear at a certain point during the process, sitting in the car once it turn off, and it is something that you would not do.

Hey, to each their own, but I want my car toasty when I get in during the winter, and I chose to put a remote start in. Just pointing out that there is a way to safely do it.

[TommyTSquared]

Originally Posted by Russell James

It can't, this trans has no gear position sensing. This is relying on a shut down process, and then assuming the shifter is not moved after engine shut off.

So it's still user-error. Anything that results from the user not doing what they're supposed to do is on them. That being said, the system should have a fail safe since there are plenty of stupid people roaming around.

1. Don't be dumb
2. Make the system better

Originally Posted by djb525

Ok, true, but why would you do that knowing that it will result in a bad outcome? ...

Because people (as a whole) are idiots.

[motorhead]

All the safety systems you listed won't do anything for the E-brake not holding the car in place. I would never rely solely on the E-brake to hold the car in place. That could be a very expensive risk to take just to start you car from outside of it. I've had remote start on many cars from the factory, and I never used it. I really don't see a reason to start my car from anywhere but behind the drivers seat. It's more for gadget guys than anything else. There's a reason that the factory doesn't do it.

[djb525]

Originally Posted by Smoky10

Also one last question from me. Using this system renders the factory system completely useless?

As of now, there is no bypass for a remote start system. So technically yes, it will disable the factory killstart, although you will still have to break into the car (which will set the alarm off and trigger the viper systems killstart) The only way around this is to put the key in the ignition.

[djb525]

Originally Posted by motorhead

All the safety systems you listed won't do anything for the E-brake not holding the car in place. I would never rely solely on the E-brake to hold the car in place. That could be a very expensive risk to take just to start you car from outside of it. I've had remote start on many cars from the factory, and I never used it. I really don't see a reason to start my car from anywhere but behind the drivers seat. It's more for gadget guys than anything else. There's a reason that the factory doesn't do it.

I agree, the ebrake will not hold a car in place on a hill. But I know enough not to rely on it when parked on a hill, and in this situation, I would not use the remote start. For my purposes, I will be starting the car in my driveway in the morning 99% of the time, so in that case, it is useful to me. In 0 degree weather, it is nice to be able to get into a 70 degree car.

[CAMAR0]

Originally Posted by motorhead

All the safety systems you listed won't do anything for the E-brake not holding the car in place. I would never rely solely on the E-brake to hold the car in place. That could be a very expensive risk to take just to start you car from outside of it. I've had remote start on many cars from the factory, and I never used it. I really don't see a reason to start my car from anywhere but behind the drivers seat. It's more for gadget guys than anything else. There's a reason that the factory doesn't do it.

It sometimes takes 30 min to defrost the ice off my windshield so i can drive home from work in the winter. It made it through 3-5" of snow to and from work this year thanks to the all season tires & stabikitrack!

I would rather be in a warm workplace vs freezing my ass of. Especially since its only adding 1% to the total spent for the car. The parking lot is flat.