Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[St33lsinger]

Originally Posted by snakekiller

Comparison: 2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS Convertible vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Convertible

link:http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1CDHv4bU8
First Place
Mustang GT Convertible: A loveable and affordable performance car, top or no top. It's hard to overstate how wonderful the new 5.0 is.
Second Place
Chevrolet SS Convertible: While we prefer the convertible to coupe, the Camaro is just too flawed to challenge the Mustang's American performance hegemony.

A quote from Motortrend...LOL most of those guys are Ford fanboys receiveing some sort of kick back. IMHO

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Steelsinger

A quote from Motortrend...LOL most of those guys are Ford fanboys receiveing some sort of kick back. IMHO

You know, after thinking about it a little more....it was an entertaining read...the rain suits and commiting the convertible sin by intentionally driving them in the rain like they did. Funny stuff.

But stupid, backa$$wards comments like "It's too flawed to compete" is complete bull-....oney. (). In what dimension does that hold true when the numbers are within spitting distance of each other, and the Camaro felt so solid. THAT...is blind bias, I don't care how you cut it. And whatever, they can like the Mustang just as much as I like the Camaro...but don't call it a 'review' and pretend it was objective. They're beginning to remind me of consumer reports............

We might be bias ourselves, but we're not idiots.

[RAY-RAY]

Originally Posted by stikSS

Its all our passions!!... we drive these machines and support our brand, so its gonna be a conflict of interest!!. As long as it doesn't get personal, i say its all good!!

Soooo..... i think the 5.0 just sucks

J/K

but seriousy, the 5.0 sucks. i drove one and had one of the sales guys with me. i drove it just like how i drive my camaro. that dude's mind was blown when i took him for a ride in the camaro after we rode in the 5.0! there were certain aspects of the that really didnt appeal to me, like the clutch. everybody is different, but i didnt like the feel of it. the narrowness of the mustang didnt feel comfortable to me either. i like the wideness of my camaro. i just feel it hugs the road better imo. of course, this is "my" opinion, but i know some mustang driver on here is gonna come back with something lol!

[66olds442]

I know for a fact that the Camaro Vert goes through a "rain" test at the factory and if it leaks even a drop is immediately pulled from the line. Makes me wonder, just what MT did to the camaro to make it "too flawed".

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 66olds442

I know for a fact that the Camaro Vert goes through a "rain" test at the factory and if it leaks even a drop is immediately pulled from the line. Makes me wonder, just what MT did to the camaro to make it "too flawed".

I don't think they did anything to it...The combination of a pre-pro roof leaking (not a genius decision on Chevy's part to let that car go)...and previous comments they keep propogating and a overexaggerating lead them to that stupida$$ "flawed" statement, I think.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by snakekiller

Comparison: 2011 Chevrolet Camaro SS Convertible vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT Convertible

link:http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1CDHv4bU8
First Place
Mustang GT Convertible: A loveable and affordable performance car, top or no top. It's hard to overstate how wonderful the new 5.0 is.
Second Place
Chevrolet SS Convertible: While we prefer the convertible to coupe, the Camaro is just too flawed to challenge the Mustang's American performance hegemony.

LOL!!, I actually said the same thing about the left and right turn visibility when I drove a Camaro here.

Originally Posted by thePill

The forward visibility isn't bad, but if you plan on taking corners the pillars are annoying. Any left corner over 45 degrees will make you lean to the passenger side or towards your window to see the road, right turns are not so bad. Rear visibility is bad but that is almost any sports coupe.

Depending on how tall you are, wearing a helmet without reclining the seat (which makes the dash overwhelming) might be necessary. I suggest a Simpson X bandit or something from the Simpson line that fits close to the head. Ricky Bobby head gear will not work if your Ricky Bobby size...

There is always the Ace Ventura option but hard to do while wearing a seat belt.

And MTs complaint about the A pillars in the first paragraph..
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...lding_top.html

[thePill]

Originally Posted by RAY-RAY

but seriousy, the 5.0 sucks. i drove one and had one of the sales guys with me. i drove it just like how i drive my camaro. that dude's mind was blown when i took him for a ride in the camaro after we rode in the 5.0! there were certain aspects of the that really didnt appeal to me, like the clutch. everybody is different, but i didnt like the feel of it. the narrowness of the mustang didnt feel comfortable to me either. i like the wideness of my camaro. i just feel it hugs the road better imo. of course, this is "my" opinion, but i know some mustang driver on here is gonna come back with something lol!

I drive a 5.0 everyday the weather lets me and I can tell you that it is not bad at all. I have some complaints but they are things that can be fixed with the aftermarket. The road course abilities of the Camaro and forward visibiliy is something I could not get over and definately wouldn't accept it at Hockenheim.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I've found visibility to be very similar to the Mustang...the only difference (including the A-pillar complaints) that I've noticed is that the windows are much shorter on the sides and rear in the Camaro....given that you don't need tall windows to drive right, and the exterior appearance they lend themselves to...I view it as a benefit.

[thePill]

I am really picky when I drive a car though, the one thing that drives me absolutely crazy about the Camaro (and other cars too) is the gas cap is on the wrong damn side. It definately doesn't completely discourage me from buying a car that is backwards (My BMW 320i is backwards) but it bothers me... Another thing that bothers me is something most people do not know about or never notice, The Camaro would have been much lighter if GM would have used Boron steel on the safety structure. I believe it would have dropped the weight by about 100lbs if the structure was Boron, they would have easily passed the side impact test and could have used more aluminium panels. That really bothered me.. but again, I am really picky...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by thePill

I am really picky when I drive a car though, the one thing that drives me absolutely crazy about the Camaro (and other cars too) is the gas cap is on the wrong damn side. It definately doesn't completely discourage me from buying a car that is backwards (My BMW 320i is backwards) but it bothers me...

Ah, see that is something I feel compeltely different about. I have ever since I bought this Cobalt. First...I really don't see one side or the other as being "correct"...pumps are on both sides of the aisle, but...nevermind. The point I was making is that I actually LIKE having it on the passenger side...primarily because those are the pumps usually open, and I have absolutely no reason to wish it was on the other side. 5 steps around my car isn't an inconvenience for me.

Originally Posted by thePill

Another thing that bothers me is something most people do not know about or never notice, The Camaro would have been much lighter if GM would have used Boron steel on the safety structure. I believe it would have dropped the weight by about 100lbs if the structure was Boron, they would have easily passed the side impact test and could have used more aluminium panels. That really bothered me.. but again, I am really picky...

Well...100 lbs isn't "much lighter", imo...I doubt anyone would notice it except what was said on paper. And it certainly wouldn't be worth the extra cost (triple my emphasis on that point where the aluminum panels are concerned).

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Ah, see that is something I feel compeltely different about. I have ever since I bought this Cobalt. First...I really don't see one side or the other as being "correct"...pumps are on both sides of the aisle, but...nevermind. The point I was making is that I actually LIKE having it on the passenger side...primarily because those are the pumps usually open, and I have absolutely no reason to wish it was on the other side. 5 steps around my car isn't an inconvenience for me.

The driverside is "pit side", splash and gos would require the gas man to run around the car to splash because he is prohibited from standing on pit road. To me, Pit side is the correct side..

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Well...100 lbs isn't "much lighter", imo...I doubt anyone would notice it except what was said on paper. And it certainly wouldn't be worth the extra cost (triple my emphasis on that point where the aluminum panels are concerned).

The cost of Boron isn't much more than Steel itself, The new Fiesta is almost all Boron steel and weighs 2700lbs and aced the crash test rating. They could have used aluminium in the front but it would have been expensive...

In this link, you will see that the Camaro only uses Ultra-high Strength Steel on the the rocker's inner panel and only uses high strength low alloy steel on the center piller's reinforcement. If GM would have converted to Boron steel for a majority of the inner shell including the firewall, it would have been very solid and would have weighed probably 100lbs less if not more. Boron on the A pillars could decrease their size by 40% and increase their strenght by 30%.... Heres the link, scroll down to the diagram...
http://boronextrication.com/tag/body-structure/page/2/

[thePill]

After you look at the Camaro's "two pieces" scroll down to the Honda right after that... The orange segments is what the Camaro should have been...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by thePill

The driverside is "pit side", splash and gos would require the gas man to run around the car to splash because he is prohibited from standing on pit road. To me,, Pit side is the correct side..

That's a fair point, but like I said it doesn't bother me any...I don't plan on pulling into pit row on Interstate 90.

Originally Posted by thePill

The cost of Boron isn't much more than Steel itself, The new Fiesta is almost all Boron steel and weighs 2700lbs and aced the crash test rating. They could have used aluminium in the front but it would have been expensive...

In this link, you will see that the Camaro only uses Ultra-high Strength Steel on the the rocker's inner panel and only uses high strength low alloy steel on the center piller's reinforcement. If GM would have converted to Boron steel for a majority of the inner shell including the firewall, it would have been very solid and would have weighed probably 100lbs less if not more. Boron on the A pillars could decrease their size by 40% and increase their strenght by 30%.... Heres the link, scroll down to the diagram...
http://boronextrication.com/tag/body-structure/page/2/

After you look at the Camaro's "two pieces" scroll down to the Honda right after that... The orange segments is what the Camaro should have been...

I can't really comment further because I'm no engineer or materials scientist and don't pretent to know what they "should" or "shouldn't" have done. I do know....that if it made sense at the time, they would have done it. Perhaps the Zeta chassis did not allow materials substitutions to intergrate what you're alluding to...that might be a factor behind the rapid development of the Alpha platform. Again....I dunno. It's neat to discuss it, though.

[thePill]

FYI: Ultra-high Strength steel and Boron are not the same, UHSS is very strong, Boron is very stong and lightweight... not as light as aluminium, close to it.. and not as strong as titanium almost though... but Boron's price is right and will most likely make up most of the entire saftey cage on all vehicles eventually (see 2012 Fiesta, its at 50%)

http://boronextrication.com/tag/ford/