SO, final word on tune detection??

[y2k king]

the one thing i've noticed is, nobody has said they regretted what they got from the tune afterward.

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by blackknight

Lots of good info in here guys. Ill say that im no longer worried about my warranty. I make enough money that I can get the car fixed int he case of catastrophic failure.

Just sucks that I was "suckered" into buying something with false claims of being undetectable. Oh well..

now my only problem is to figure out which custom tuner i want to tune my Camaro...

Oh and IndeedSS1, what do you think a stock ECM costs for our camaros? just curious.

*EDIT* Nvm looks like on Rockauto.com the ECM costs about $216 bucks. Not bad.....I would consider buying one for backups sake.

I don't think you can get your hands on a spare ECM for the 2010+ Camaro. This is only from what I've read, but my understaning is GM has the market tied up on those and a lock on the loading the OS. Apparently the odometer info is stored on the ECM as well. It makes sense to me, but this could be bad info handed down by well meaning people.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by IndeedSS1

I don't think you can get your hands on a spare ECM for the 2010+ Camaro. This is only from what I've read, but my understaning is GM has the market tied up on those and a lock on the loading the OS. Apparently the odometer info is stored on the ECM as well. It makes sense to me, but this could be bad info handed down by well meaning people.

ECM's are mated with the car's VIN.

Even if you do get a spare ECM, you need to make sure the one you take it to the dealer with is the original one, becasue they keep track of serial numbers.

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

ECM's are mated with the car's VIN.

Even if you do get a spare ECM, you need to make sure the one you take it to the dealer with is the original one, becasue they keep track of serial numbers.

Things just had to get more complicated. I miss the good old days.

[Shadow Camaro]

seems like you could maybe buy an extra ecm and put the tune on that one and run with it. then plug your stock ecm back in whenever you go for warranty work. unless its true that the ecm keeps track of odometer reading in which case the numbers on your ecm wouldnt match the numbers on the odo.

It seems to me this issue would be resolved as soon as a company introduces a plug and play piggyback thats tunable.

[mlee]

To the OP and others considering a handheld for turning off AFM... don't buy Diablo. It will turn off AFM but won't tune your transmission which is the best half of a tune with the L99. They claim it's coming, but that claim started last February...

SCT is the way to go...

[Milk 1027]

See what you did Revo?

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

See what you did Revo?

LOL... always good to make sure folks are informed before they jump into tunes...

...and it keeps the mods on their toes too...

[Revo1]

We'll see what I can do, but it's gonna be Diablo for now anyway. It's accessible, and that AFM has to go...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

On everything
Like I said. I am not paranoid. Just cautious and I want everyone else to be too. I just want people to be aware of what can and can't happen.

I agree with everything you've said so far, Milk. And I'm definitely NOT a paranoia-driven person.

My little 'issue' with this whole debate is not the banter going back and forth about detectability -- GM designed the computer, they can detect if its been tampered with......It's not even the possibility of something going wrong with a tune (that's very unlikely since these well-known companies stake their name on their product -- they do their homework).

No, I have an issue with the underhanded effort being put into trying to trick and defraud the manufacturer into a warranty claim if you break something on your car after the tune/part/whatever has been installed.

Like it or not, you have modified your vehicle outside the intended parameters of the manufacturer's comfort zone. So in the words of a good friend, "be honest and take your medicine like a man".

[IndeedSS1]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I agree with everything you've said so far, Milk. And I'm definitely NOT a paranoia-driven person.

My little 'issue' with this whole debate is not the banter going back and forth about detectability -- GM designed the computer, they can detect if its been tampered with......It's not even the possibility of something going wrong with a tune (that's very unlikely since these well-known companies stake their name on their product -- they do their homework).

No, I have an issue with the underhanded effort being put into trying to trick and defraud the manufacturer into a warranty claim if you break something on your car after the tune/part/whatever has been installed.

Like it or not, you have modified your vehicle outside the intended parameters of the manufacturer's comfort zone. So in the words of a good friend, "be honest and take your medicine like a man".

Good post.

My last car spun a rod bearing 300 miles after having a cam installed. There was only 19K miles on the odometer. Needless to say it never went to the dealer and cost me a crap load of money to get taken care of. This too was my daily driver, so the down time also meant car rentals on top of the P&L. This is the kind of medicine I don't want to take again.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by IndeedSS1

Good post.

My last car spun a rod bearing 300 miles after having a cam installed. There was only 19K miles on the odometer. Needless to say it never went to the dealer and cost me a crap load of money to get taken care of. This too was my daily driver, so the down time also meant car rentals on top of the P&L. This is the kind of medicine I don't want to take again.

I'm sorry to hear that!!

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I agree with everything you've said so far, Milk. And I'm definitely NOT a paranoia-driven person.

My little 'issue' with this whole debate is not the banter going back and forth about detectability -- GM designed the computer, they can detect if its been tampered with......It's not even the possibility of something going wrong with a tune (that's very unlikely since these well-known companies stake their name on their product -- they do their homework).

No, I have an issue with the underhanded effort being put into trying to trick and defraud the manufacturer into a warranty claim if you break something on your car after the tune/part/whatever has been installed.

Like it or not, you have modified your vehicle outside the intended parameters of the manufacturer's comfort zone. So in the words of a good friend, "be honest and take your medicine like a man".

Well said. If you want to dance be prepared to pay the band.

There should be a sticky thread on tune rejected warranty claims. Then every time it comes up refer the poster to that thread. There have been a few, but only a few.

[Revo1]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I agree with everything you've said so far, Milk. And I'm definitely NOT a paranoia-driven person.

My little 'issue' with this whole debate is not the banter going back and forth about detectability -- GM designed the computer, they can detect if its been tampered with......It's not even the possibility of something going wrong with a tune (that's very unlikely since these well-known companies stake their name on their product -- they do their homework).

No, I have an issue with the underhanded effort being put into trying to trick and defraud the manufacturer into a warranty claim if you break something on your car after the tune/part/whatever has been installed.

Like it or not, you have modified your vehicle outside the intended parameters of the manufacturer's comfort zone. So in the words of a good friend, "be honest and take your medicine like a man".

I just want (in perfect world) to be able to tune out my AFM pronto and still be allowed to fix an issue under warranty that has been present since the purchase of the vehicle... :(