2011 Challenger pegging Camaro as target

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Why would they change something for 2010? I dunno ... to embarrass the new guy? Thats what I would try and do, steal their spotlight before they even get on stage. Afterall, it wasn't a secret that the Camaro was coming, production was announced back in the summer of 2006.

But let me get this straight, if you're behind a competitor, its not catching up but rather answering a challenge? Sounds like spin to me. But if that isn't catching up, then according to you ... what is catching up? Being ahead of the competition?

My point was, there was no competition for over 7 years, NONE. Did Ford have a mole inside the GM engineering department that was feeding them inside info? Ford didn't know exactly what the 5th Gen Camaro was going to consist of, and I'm not talking just hp numbers. They let GM show their hand and then they reacted, that's not the same as catching up, not even remotely close. There's no spin here, it is what it is. The Camaro came out after an 8 year hiatus and Ford responded, no catching up involved. I can't explain it any clearer than that. Had the Camaro been in production from 02-09 and Chevy had upped the ante each of those years and Ford responded, that would be catching up. You cannot play catch up when there's not an adversary to catch up to.

[DGthe3]

We're not talking about 2003-2010, we're talking about 2010-2011. Chevy was better for the 2010 MY, Ford caught up (and passed them) for 2011. If I wanted to talk about Ford needing to catch up before 2010, I would have brought up the 2005 GTO.

And they don't need insiders feeding them info. And they don't need exact details either. They could use the brains of the people they employ and predict what is likely to happen. Its not all that hard to figure out that GM would use the LS3 and that the Camaro would be heavier than the Mustang. Exact power ratings and getting the weight to the nearest pound aren't required. It wasn't going to be more powerful than the Corvette, and it was going to weigh at least as much as the GTO. Design something to match that and you know that you will be at least very close, and probably faster -no catch-up involved. Right there from the start. GM even made it easy by making the Camaro even heavier and offering a less powerful version of the LS3. But Ford didn't respond until a year after the Camaro hit the streets. They had to catch up with GM.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by TJ91

The v6 chally will still be slower, weighs too much and seems like they stuck with their garbage tranny.

FYI, the V6 Challenger and V6 Camaro are VERY similar in weight, and the 5 speed auto is a good transmission with a nice low first gear. If that is they way you are thinking, you will probably be surprised, not to mention it appears the 8 speed auto will even be avail avail with the V6 cars when it arrives.

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by Andro

The Camaro needs to go on a diet as well

+1

The camaro SS is a couple hundred lighter than the Challenger but it's a couple hundred heavier than the furd.

And yes, they're playing catch-up.

[klapper]

Originally Posted by Synyster

Isn't the GT500 at a 4.1 or 4 second 0-60? So how on earth would a 475hp boat be in the 3's?

I think Ralph was a little mixed up at the dealer meeting, or else he was misquoted by the tattle talers. If he said that he was probably referring to the coming 600 hp viper-powered Challenger.

[klapper]

Originally Posted by Dalefj

The camaro needs a sports package similar to the mustang track pack
Im thinking stiffer suspension upgraded sway bars, strut tower bars AND WEIGHT REDUCTION!!! Mainly the last one

The rumour is Dodge is doing the same, a possible "ACR" Challenger with a +400 hp 5.7 and weight reduction. I can't imagine they can lose much but they do have one big weight reduction possibilty not open to Chevy or Ford, converting their iron block hemis to aluminum. I think they already make an aluminum 6.1 block sold through their performance parts division.

[lewylew]

My 425 HP Jeep goes 4.1 0-60 maybe better. It is stock except CAI and cat back.

Originally Posted by Synyster

Isn't the GT500 at a 4.1 or 4 second 0-60? So how on earth would a 475hp boat be in the 3's?

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by lewylew

My 425 HP Jeep goes 4.1 0-60 maybe better. It is stock except CAI and cat back.

The challenger doesn't have awd. . .

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

The challenger doesn't have awd. . .

But it does look nice...

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by lewylew

My 425 HP Jeep goes 4.1 0-60 maybe better. It is stock except CAI and cat back.

if the gt500 was AWD it would smoke your jeep. everyone knows the awd jeep is fast. the discussion is the challenger in this thread. im sure an AWD Diablo has your jeep covered.

there will be no 0-60 in 3.9 out af a challenger.


lets say the challenger loses 200lbs. its still heavier. costs too much. and loses. epic fail.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by assasinator

lets say the challenger loses 200lbs. its still heavier. costs too much. and loses. epic fail.

If the 2011 Challenger was 4000lbs even, had 475 HP and was 43,000..it wont lose.

The Challenger *only* needed around 455 HP to break even with the LS3 SS. 475 will result in the Challenger having a HP/lb advantage over the LS3 Camaro.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

If the 2011 Challenger was 4000lbs even, had 475 HP and was 43,000..it wont lose.

The Challenger *only* needed around 455 HP to break even with the LS3 SS. 475 will result in the Challenger having a HP/lb advantage over the LS3 Camaro.

Comparing the srt8 to the SS or GT is dumb considering the R/T starts at basically the same price as the SS and GT, but the SRT is over $10,000 more. It should be compared to the gt500 and the z28, assuming it is priced around the gt500, and in that stable it is the slowest by a considerable amount.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Comparing the srt8 to the SS or GT is dumb considering the R/T starts at basically the same price as the SS and GT, but the SRT is over $10,000 more. It should be compared to the gt500 and the z28, assuming it is priced around the gt500, and in that stable it is the slowest by a considerable amount.

Mas has a point.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Comparing the srt8 to the SS or GT is dumb considering the R/T starts at basically the same price as the SS and GT, but the SRT is over $10,000 more. It should be compared to the gt500 and the z28, assuming it is priced around the gt500, and in that stable it is the slowest by a considerable amount.

A loaded 2SS/RS with the GFX and stripes is only about 2600 less than a SRT8 when comparing automatics to automatics. Add in 21" wheels and its actually over a thousand dollars more.