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HufferSS · 04-04-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mikepage0007

6 weeks turn into 4 months, going into month 4 and still a ways off...my build is a little more then just mechanical..

week 1- you have a plan and parts lined up...week 2- parts start getting into car while waiting for more parts..week 3 thru 5 - more of the same and lots of time 2nd guessing yourself and changing everything ..week 6- finding out that you want to change some major components and lining up different parts and that escalates to changing more stuff and b4 you know it. your 4 months in , minus 35k and 1 month tweaking all the new stuff.. ..lol

This sounds oddly familiar....

firefighter1 · 04-04-2012, 08:05 PM

Yall don't mind me, I'm be over here in the corner gnawing on the scraps that yall big dawgs leave behind!

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*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-04-2012, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firefighter1

Yall don't mind me, I'm be over here in the corner gnawing on the scraps that yall big dawgs leave behind!

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Pssshhh, whatever... That car of yours is bad.... and extremely dependable...

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-05-2012, 11:43 PM

Here is the purpose of this thread... Hopefully by monday we'll have the new clutch and be back on track with the install...

calbert1999 · 04-06-2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HufferSS

Noobs are so cute.....you still believe that 6 week thing.......

LOL

Schitzo · 04-09-2012, 05:10 PM

Tremec should have a direct shifter version (T56 Magnum XL) for LSx engines soon. Currently this setup with the extended trailshaft is available for mustangs only. Otherwise you have to have it custom build like the OP did.

Blue70SS · 04-09-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SSE 4 2SS

Think of this shifter as a floating unit sitting on top of the trans tail shaft housing... It is not attached to the car trans tunnel in any form or fashion... the closest thing to a connection is the shifter boot...

Has anyone tried Pfadt engine mounts or something comparable, combined with a stiffer tranny mount? It seems like we've found ways to keep things from moving all over with the higher HP builds, but I've never seen the tranny mount addressed. Seems like it would solve or lessen the engine torque vs shifter problems. Just stumbled across this thread after spending Saturday at the track granny shifting at 5500 rpm - totally sucked not being able to use the HP. 2nd ZR1 clutch w/specified spacer (not slipping or burning - holding strong), 2nd RPM Level 6 6060, completely replaced entire hydrolics & ZR1 slave - but can't even consistently granny shift under acceleration at 6k or above. Pedal has totally different feel under higher rpm shifts. Your idea of engine torque versus shifter makes sense though.... didn't notice this problem with slippery Pirelli's, but with M&H drag radials and the grip - shifting problem is nuts. I was leaning towards RPS triple since it sounds like less pedal effort, hence less stress on the crappy hydrolics - but now sounds like 50% hydrolic problems and 50% shifter/engine torque related.

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-10-2012, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schitzo

Tremec should have a direct shifter version (T56 Magnum XL) for LSx engines soon. Currently this setup with the extended trailshaft is available for mustangs only. Otherwise you have to have it custom build like the OP did.

Those look like they will go along way to helping with the problem... but will they be made available with the 9310 gears and shafts or will that still be up to the aftermarket folks to upgrade... I do agree, this is a step in the right direction...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue70SS

Has anyone tried Pfadt engine mounts or something comparable, combined with a stiffer tranny mount? It seems like we've found ways to keep things from moving all over with the higher HP builds, but I've never seen the tranny mount addressed. Seems like it would solve or lessen the engine torque vs shifter problems. Just stumbled across this thread after spending Saturday at the track granny shifting at 5500 rpm - totally sucked not being able to use the HP. 2nd ZR1 clutch w/specified spacer (not slipping or burning - holding strong), 2nd RPM Level 6 6060, completely replaced entire hydrolics & ZR1 slave - but can't even consistently granny shift under acceleration at 6k or above. Pedal has totally different feel under higher rpm shifts. Your idea of engine torque versus shifter makes sense though.... didn't notice this problem with slippery Pirelli's, but with M&H drag radials and the grip - shifting problem is nuts. I was leaning towards RPS triple since it sounds like less pedal effort, hence less stress on the crappy hydrolics - but now sounds like 50% hydrolic problems and 50% shifter/engine torque related.

Wow, sorry about the troubles... Yes, I am installing the Prothane engine mounts in conjunction with this trans upgrade...As for the trans mount, that is yet to be determined since we will either have to heavily modify the current cross member, or build an entire new one.

I'll let you know which way we go as far as that is concerned...

Here is a pic of the motor mounts... and one for nostalgic reasons...

Blue70SS · 04-10-2012, 12:30 AM

hmmm, seem to recall that picture in by build thread LOL. Good times

Those engine mounts look great

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-10-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue70SS

hmmm, seem to recall that picture in by build thread LOL. Good times

Those engine mounts look great

I was surprised to see just how big they are... All the ad pics make them look tiny by comparison...

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-11-2012, 07:48 PM

Ok, Now on to the meat of the matter...

We received the clutch today and so we can get back into the topic at hand...

There are several things to consider with the swap...

We were told to use the pilot bushing out of a Dodge Viper, which is the proper size Id for the pilot shaft... .750 inches... Thats all well and good, but one issue we ran into is the OD of the bearing doesn't fit in the crank tail snout of the Camaro...

The Fix... We machined the outer part of the bearing down to 1.705 inches and it fit perfectly.... This was the OD measurement of the factory pilot bushing.... The bushing for a Dodge Viper is almost 2.00 inches OD... A lathe is a good thing to have handy...

Problem solved... bushing installed... I don't have a pic of the bushing by itself... but here is one showing the preliminary install of the new flywheel as well as the pilot bushing...

*SSE 4 2SS* · 04-11-2012, 08:01 PM

Here is another snag we ran into...

The clutch arrives with a clutch alignment tool for the factory pilot bushing.... Not a problem, someone in the area has to have one... So, off to pretty much every parts house in town...No deal... Can't even find one online...

So, back to the lathe... We took a piece of aluminum and chucked it up...

Cut the outer part down to .747 inches, the outer dimension on the pilot shaft on the new trans... and drilled a hole .578 inches... While it was still warm, we slid it over the new 26 spline alignment tool and test fitted it... It works perfectly... so, back to the clutch install...

More later, my wife just called and invited me to dinner at Dickey's BBQ....

Synner · 04-11-2012, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue70SS

It seems like we've found ways to keep things from moving all over with the higher HP builds, but I've never seen the tranny mount addressed.

MTI is selling an upgraded urethane mount for the crossmember.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181619

speedster · 04-11-2012, 10:20 PM

Nice being able to machine the part to work...

Killer pic in post #92. AZ was a fun place.

04-04-2012, 08:05 PM	#86
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04-05-2012, 11:43 PM	#88
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,799	Here is the purpose of this thread... Hopefully by monday we'll have the new clutch and be back on track with the install... Attached Images __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

04-10-2012, 12:30 AM	#93
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04-11-2012, 07:48 PM	#95
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,799	Ok, Now on to the meat of the matter... We received the clutch today and so we can get back into the topic at hand... There are several things to consider with the swap... We were told to use the pilot bushing out of a Dodge Viper, which is the proper size Id for the pilot shaft... .750 inches... Thats all well and good, but one issue we ran into is the OD of the bearing doesn't fit in the crank tail snout of the Camaro... The Fix... We machined the outer part of the bearing down to 1.705 inches and it fit perfectly.... This was the OD measurement of the factory pilot bushing.... The bushing for a Dodge Viper is almost 2.00 inches OD... A lathe is a good thing to have handy... Problem solved... bushing installed... I don't have a pic of the bushing by itself... but here is one showing the preliminary install of the new flywheel as well as the pilot bushing... Attached Images __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

04-11-2012, 08:01 PM	#96
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,799	Here is another snag we ran into... The clutch arrives with a clutch alignment tool for the factory pilot bushing.... Not a problem, someone in the area has to have one... So, off to pretty much every parts house in town...No deal... Can't even find one online... So, back to the lathe... We took a piece of aluminum and chucked it up... Cut the outer part down to .747 inches, the outer dimension on the pilot shaft on the new trans... and drilled a hole .578 inches... While it was still warm, we slid it over the new 26 spline alignment tool and test fitted it... It works perfectly... so, back to the clutch install... More later, my wife just called and invited me to dinner at Dickey's BBQ.... Attached Images __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

04-09-2012, 05:10 PM	#90
Schitzo Drives: LS1 BMW Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 5	Tremec should have a direct shifter version (T56 Magnum XL) for LSx engines soon. Currently this setup with the extended trailshaft is available for mustangs only. Otherwise you have to have it custom build like the OP did.

04-11-2012, 10:20 PM	#98
speedster SST... Drives: SST Camaro 2010 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: East Coast of Florida Posts: 5,927 View My Garage	Nice being able to machine the part to work... Killer pic in post #92. AZ was a fun place. __________________

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