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View Poll Results: Would you be willing to pay for the added cost of forged pistons and rods in the Z28? | |||
Yes, Definitely. Forged internals would increase the value for me. | 97 | 77.60% | |
Doesn't matter much to me, either way is OK. | 18 | 14.40% | |
Nope, regular pisons & Rods are fine. | 10 | 8.00% | |
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08-11-2010, 12:24 AM | #43 |
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OK, I build engines for a living, and so I have a little bit of insight. Granted, the engines I build are diesels and have a bore that you can stick your head into, but I have worked in the automotive industry. For the SS, the 6.2 will only be modified by 10% of the buyers, tops. The Z-28, like the GT500, will be bought by two types. The keep it all original crowd that never takes it out, and the beat it to death and mod the hell out of it crowd. Since the split is 60-40, it is worth the cost and the NVH sacrifices to go with forged internals. On this project, GM needs to keep the bean-counters out of the engineering department. The car will be an icon, and even selling at a loss will be better than selling an inferior product.
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08-11-2010, 01:26 AM | #44 | |
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you still don't realize that this 5.4's (the engine in the gt500) r and d was paid for by the ford GT? it didn't have to be recertified. . .not like the engine you are talking about the Z having. that doesn't even exist yet. . .both the car and engine that you want. R and D will still have to be done or have been done on forged internals and who will end up with the cost? the buyer. sorry ford went for years with out really any improvements but price increases on their cars to offset the R and D on the newest cars. the people that paid for the 2010 mustang pretty much paid for the 5.0 with out getting the 5.0. just to offset the cost of the 5.0 in the mustang. . .sucks for them. maybe GM should do that increase the price of the SS so it lowers the cost of The Z28. . .or lowers the price increase to the 6th gen. again like I said if GM can do it for the same price point as a GT500 i'm all for it. if it raises it to 60k or just under 60k they should say screw it. hell even if you looked at the poll you'll see I voted for forged. I'm all for it as long as it doesn't drastically increase the price. it's not a simple swap like you claim. that's all i'm saying and all I'm trying to get at. |
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08-11-2010, 01:30 AM | #45 |
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Personally, I thnk the Z28 should be the most powerfull Camaro; If you don't want to pay the few extra bucks to have the LS9 with all the bells and whistles, then settle for an SS or lower model.
I don't have any issues paying extra to have an engine that I don't have to worry about if I want to apply mods at a later date. Currently, with an SS I'm always asking the questions regarding the stock engine tolerances. Want to upgrade the CAM and apply artificial aspiration at a later date, know that most likely I may have to have to upgrade pistons, rods, heads just to make sure I don't blow the engine. My installer recommending no more than 7psi. if installing a SuperCharger, why? Cause' concerned will shred up the engine. Considering the Camaro is like the PC in the PC vs Mac war; There are numerous options to modify the vehicle, it would be nice to know that straight from the manufacturer the guts, can handle the additional stresses when applying the mods. Right? |
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So again for a quick recap. The Mustang GT500 offers: HAND BUILT fully forged supercharged engine. better interior(materials wise). for $49K The Z28 will offer(if you guys get your silly way): production line not so forged supercharged engine. lesser interior materials for $50K+? What a let down.
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08-11-2010, 10:49 AM | #48 |
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"Why is that? Ford is proving that it can penny-pinch in other areas of the car in order to have all that power."- radz28
You have to be kidding me! I havent posted on here much because I sold my Camaro and bought a GT500. There is no comparison. NONE. FORD builds such a better vehicle I even got a new F150 to replace my silverado. Do yourself a favor and NEVER drive a GT500, it will make you regret you purchasing a camaro. And the MOST of the rest of you, get real the z28 will be 51k starting up to 57k. QUIT comparing the camaro to the corvette! Camaro is a muscle car, Corvette is a two seat sports car. GM knows that is you want muscle you will buy the camaro so they will charge just as much as a Vette if need be. Also the LSA is a stout stock engine BUT will grenade quickly will the boost gets turned up. Fords hand built 4-valve 5.4 trumps any thing GM has
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08-11-2010, 10:54 AM | #49 | |
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you do realize that this car doesn't exist and neither does an engine in this car. yes there are pictures with a sticker on that dash that says 6.2L SC A6. there was talk long ago of an ls8. something between the lsa and ls9. rumors had it killed off. but an engine that you want would fit nicely as an ls8. could they change what you are asking for and call it the ls8, yes. hell for all we know they could offer the lsa for far cheaper then the gt500. this is all speculation. no one has confirmed the lsa as the engine. but with what we know it's likely. you are expecting the worst. I say we've been pretty well off since the camaro began production. seeing the people that have been involved with production from the beginning have done a good job so far. granted there are areas for improvement. and everyone has their view as to what it is. but like I said to others. keep the faith. btw I only want the forged pistons because I know how I react to high power. I always want more. but I'm willing to replace them and even replace the super for a turbo setup. and just because it's forged doesn't mean it's high quality. . . |
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"For the SS, the 6.2 will only be modified by 10% of the buyers, tops."- derklug
WOW, just WOW. 10% DONT modify their cars. And probably 95% of GT500 owners do a pulley swap. Only costs 800 bucks to add 100hp. Try that in the non forged LSA. ka-boom. I cant believe GM isnt putting forged internals
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Ya a good tune does, but non forged internals dont like 13-14psi. More like saying see your ass later to your camaro as its towed away with a rod through the block. A GT500 only needs wider tires to own z28. Forget about the 2.9 whipple and 689 RWHP with street tune. Z28+ NON forged engine+ trying to catch GT500= EPIC FAIL
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08-11-2010, 02:41 PM | #53 | |
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Since you say you agree then your not making sense. Do you think we should wait until the cars are sitting in our driveways with a pile of piston shrapnel in the oil pan? Or make our case known to GM now? There is still plenty of time for them to do something about it if they haven't done it already. Keeping your mouth shut will not do anything good. GM should want to make us, their possible future customers, happy. Why should I spend $50k on their Achilles Heeled Z28 when I could just build one for way less? I am willing to spend but the product has to be right. GM needs to know now while changes can still be made.
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08-11-2010, 03:01 PM | #56 |
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What EXACTLY makes it an Achilles Heel?
I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading in here...I really can't. First word that comes to mind is "brainwashed"...but I don't know who did the washing. There is no doubt that a forged piston will outlast an equal-quality hypereutectic one. But suddenly everyone's claiming that a factory-build, engineered, and tested engine with H/E pistons is going to just....up and die? Really?! |
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