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Old 11-03-2010, 09:31 PM   #1
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Rename the Z28?

I may get stoned for this but here goes......

By now everyone here has heard of the Boss 302.

Back in the day the Z28 was originally crafted as a limited edition to allow the Chevy 302 to road race. It was a direct competitor to the Boss 302.

Now even if you do not like Mustangs you have to admit the Boss 302 is a cool car. More of a road race slant on the Mustang.

So why can't Chevy compete with Ford? The Camaro has a stouter chassis that the mustang and can go head to head with it at the road tracks.

My idea is to save the Z28 name for a Boss 302 competitor.

My Z28 would have;
  • 19" light weight wheels
  • Low profile 300+ tires all the way around
  • CTS-V brakes
  • major suspension upgrades
  • coil overs
  • As many lightening mods as practical for the price
  • Recaros (Fabric)
  • Aggressive spoiler and body kit
  • LS7 (!!)
  • Distinctive stripes and graphics
  • Long tubes in the trunk

Then we rename the planned Z28 to ZL1. That name is legendary, way more so than Z28.

We go head to head with the Boss 302 and GT500.

Would the ZL1 name disappoint anyone?
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:55 PM   #2
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SLP is using the ZL1 name now.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:31 PM   #3
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Sorry, but I really want the car to be named Z28.
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Z28 is the name I want.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:35 PM   #5
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z28 has more meaning for camaros than zl1
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:50 PM   #6
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I like your idea on what the vehicle should have on it (especially the LS7), however, I too would like it to stay a Z28.
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Old 11-03-2010, 11:06 PM   #7
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This topic has been debated several times here and rumor has it in GM too. The determination was made that the Z28 brand is too important to Camaro to be left from the 5th Gen lineup. We'll soon find out.

As we can see from this thread alone the Z28 brand and heritage is just as important to the buyer as whats under the hood.

There are those who get caught up in the Z28 formula and trueness to the cars 1st Generation heritage. And that a 4000lb supercharged uber expensive Camaro is as far from Z28 heritage as anyone can get. Some think the use of the Z28 name on the majority of the years since 1969 was blasphemy. For as many Camaro fans there are that many opinions... I suppose only GM marketing is the one that counts.
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Old 11-04-2010, 01:12 AM   #8
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ALMOST had me at LS7!

but . . . . . . .

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Old 11-04-2010, 09:34 AM   #10
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:05 AM   #11
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Z28 is way cooler and the Boss 302 was Fords answer to the Z28.
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Old 11-04-2010, 10:24 AM   #13
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I may get stoned for this but here goes......

By now everyone here has heard of the Boss 302.

Back in the day the Z28 was originally crafted as a limited edition to allow the Chevy 302 to road race. It was a direct competitor to the Boss 302.

Now even if you do not like Mustangs you have to admit the Boss 302 is a cool car. More of a road race slant on the Mustang.

So why can't Chevy compete with Ford? The Camaro has a stouter chassis that the mustang and can go head to head with it at the road tracks.

My idea is to save the Z28 name for a Boss 302 competitor.

My Z28 would have;
  • 19" light weight wheels
  • Low profile 300+ tires all the way around
  • CTS-V brakes
  • major suspension upgrades
  • coil overs
  • As many lightening mods as practical for the price
  • Recaros (Fabric)
  • Aggressive spoiler and body kit
  • LS7 (!!)
  • Distinctive stripes and graphics
  • Long tubes in the trunk

Then we rename the planned Z28 to ZL1. That name is legendary, way more so than Z28.

We go head to head with the Boss 302 and GT500.

Would the ZL1 name disappoint anyone?
I like that you want to put the 427 CID LS7 (7.0) in the Camaro to do battle with a 302 CID (5.0)! All's fair in love and war!

...and there is a difference between a Z28 and a Z/28.

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SLP is using ZL* but not ZL1.....

ZL1, and the famous COPO 427 cars weren't built for road course, they were made for the drag strip.

Z/28 and boss 302 were road course cars. The Z/28 is the more valuable name, even over ZL1. The Shelby name is Fords money maker.

Z/28 was diluted over the years, much like the 1LE, in that it was originally designed for a specific purpose, I hope GM gets back to the Z/28 roots.
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SLP is using ZL* but not ZL1.....

ZL1, and the famous COPO 427 cars weren't built for road course, they were made for the drag strip.

Z/28 and boss 302 were road course cars. The Z/28 is the more valuable name, even over ZL1. The Shelby name is Fords money maker.

Z/28 was diluted over the years, much like the 1LE, in that it was originally designed for a specific purpose, I hope GM gets back to the Z/28 roots.
I believe that SLP is using ZL1 on one of their packages...
http://slpcamaro.com/zl-models/zl1/

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Old 11-04-2010, 12:49 PM   #16
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Just my opinion, but more people can relate to the Z/28 name, than the ZL1 as when it was produce there were more out there.

Just be glad they're not badging it with the Z/24...
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SLP is using ZL* but not ZL1.....

ZL1, and the famous COPO 427 cars weren't built for road course, they were made for the drag strip.

Z/28 and boss 302 were road course cars. The Z/28 is the more valuable name, even over ZL1. The Shelby name is Fords money maker.

Z/28 was diluted over the years, much like the 1LE, in that it was originally designed for a specific purpose, I hope GM gets back to the Z/28 roots.
SLP is now using the ZL1 with GM's blessing. This is a new development, and not many people are aware of it. This product, along with all of SLP's packages, is designed as a package to help dealers earn more gross profit on the vehicle while contributing a car to the mix that is worthy of the name.
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I'm surprised they loaned out the ZL1 name... Would still like to see it as a stripped down 'looks like a LS' sleeper hotrod, but hey, it's GM's party, and it's a good one
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Did you know that the first Z/28's to roll out at Chevrolet did not have the Z/28 desigantion at all. RPOZ28 was the factory order number for the race optioned Camaro. RPOZ28 included the 302 small block motor, 4 poston brakes (taken from the Corvette), a 12-bolt positraction rear end, multi-leaf rear springs, and a few other goodies that made it sort of race ready. OH, and those duel stripes up the hood and down the trunk? Those were Z/28 only stipes back then. Of course we can all get them now, no matter what options are on the car. Those first ones, first came out in late 67's and all had 302 emblems as well as the early 68's which also sported sported 302 emblems on their front fender. The Z/28 emblem came into being later in 1968 when Chevy decided that they might just have a market for this "race car" other than the racers themselves.
How do I know all of this? Because I owned an early 1968 Z/28 with the 302 emblems. In 1970 when I had a fender bender and needed a new 302 emblem, the local Chevy dealers parts people swore up and down that there was never any such thing made. After I showed them the undamaged one on the left side of the Camaro the parts guy just shook his head and said, "I'll be damned, but there's still no part number for it and I can't get a replacement".

Check out a picture of my early 1968 Z/28 and look close. See the "302" on the front fender.

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Did you know that the first Z/28's to roll out at Chevrolet did not have the Z/28 desigantion at all. RPOZ28 was the factory order number for the race optioned Camaro. RPOZ28 included the 302 small block motor, 4 poston brakes (taken from the Corvette), a 12-bolt positraction rear end, multi-leaf rear springs, and a few other goodies that made it sort of race ready. OH, and those duel stripes up the hood and down the trunk? Those were Z/28 only stipes back then. Of course we can all get them now, no matter what options are on the car. Those first ones, first came out in late 67's and all had 302 emblems as well as the early 68's which also sported sported 302 emblems on their front fender. The Z/28 emblem came into being later in 1968 when Chevy decided that they might just have a market for this "race car" other than the racers themselves.
How do I know all of this? Because I owned an early 1968 Z/28 with the 302 emblems. In 1970 when I had a fender bender and needed a new 302 emblem, the local Chevy dealers parts people swore up and down that there was never any such thing made. After I showed them the undamaged one on the left side of the Camaro the parts guy just shook his head and said, "I'll be damned, but there's still no part number for it and I can't get a replacement".

Check out a picture of my early 1968 Z/28 and look close. See the "302" on the front fender.
One slight correction, '67-'69 Z/28s had front power disc brakes, the four wheel disc brake was an option that went on a handfull of Z/28s. You're correct on the wide rally stripes originally being Z/28 only, it was only after the '69 Indy Pace Car version was released with those stripes that they made the wide rally stripes available on any Camaro. I saw a '67 Z/28 back in '67 on the dealer's lot, if I remember correctly it had the V-8 flags with 302 under it between the front wheel well and the door, the 302 by itself on the front of the fender was early '68. And 302 also appeared on the hood of '69 Z/28s with the cowl induction hood option, '69 Z/28s without the cowl induction hood had no engine designation except under the hood on the air cleaner. The Z/28 I bought new in '69 had four Z/28 emblems on the outside, one on each front fender, one in the grille and one between the tail lights (the one most often seen by the competition!).
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One slight correction, '67-'69 Z/28s had front power disc brakes, the four wheel disc brake was an option that went on a handfull of Z/28s. You're correct on the wide rally stripes originally being Z/28 only, it was only after the '69 Indy Pace Car version was released with those stripes that they made the wide rally stripes available on any Camaro. I saw a '67 Z/28 back in '67 on the dealer's lot, if I remember correctly it had the V-8 flags with 302 under it between the front wheel well and the door, the 302 by itself on the front of the fender was early '68. And 302 also appeared on the hood of '69 Z/28s with the cowl induction hood option, '69 Z/28s without the cowl induction hood had no engine designation except under the hood on the air cleaner. The Z/28 I bought new in '69 had four Z/28 emblems on the outside, one on each front fender, one in the grille and one between the tail lights (the one most often seen by the competition!).
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My friend got a '67 Z/28 for his high school graduation present and it had the "302" on the front of the fender as well.
There's a funny story that goes along with him getting this "present". My friend's father owned a successful construction business at the time and had a few bucks... so my buddy was able to convince him that getting him a car for graduation was reasonable. So they went down to the Chevy dealer to buy a car and my friend says that he wants a Camaro. There's a Z/28 sitting on the showroom floor, and when my buddy's dad finds out it "only" had a 302 in it (smaller than the base V8 which was a 307) and wouldn't have to pay for power steering ('cuz this car didn't have it!), he pulled the trigger on it for my friend, who knew what the car was, but his dad sure didn't!
I had the opportunity to drive that car a couple of weeks later and it was a total beast to drive in the city - especially without the power steering. As well, at normal speeds in the city (30-35mph), you couldn't get out of 2nd gear! Long story short, he traded it in within a year because it was so difficult to drive in the city.
Needless to say, he's still kicking himself to this day for doing that!

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My friend got a '67 Z/28 for his high school graduation present and it had the "302" on the front of the fender as well.
There's a funny story that goes along with him getting this "present". My friend's father owned a successful construction business at the time and had a few bucks... so my buddy was able to convince him that getting him a car for graduation was reasonable. So they went down to the Chevy dealer to buy a car and my friend says that he wants a Camaro. There's a Z/28 sitting on the showroom floor, and when my buddy's dad finds out it "only" had a 302 in it (smaller than the base V8 which was a 307) and wouldn't have to pay for power steering ('cuz this car didn't have it!),.
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The base V8 in '67 was a 327cid 210hp, two barrel carb, I know because I had one in '67. So yes, the 302 was the smallest displacement V8 available, I used that with my insurance company when I bought my '69 Z/28.
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The base V8 in '67 was a 327cid 210hp, two barrel carb, I know because I had one in '67. So yes, the 302 was the smallest displacement V8 available, I used that with my insurance company when I bought my '69 Z/28.
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Yes! I stand corrected. Thank you! My memory is definitely going south!
I do remember my buddy telling me that his dad figured it wasn't as fast as the base V8 because it was smaller!
We had a neighbor across the street - a single mom and her 19 year-old daughter. I was 17. The mom came home one day with a new Granada Gold 'vert and it was a 327 2 bbl Powerglide with a curved floor shifter.
The mom asked me if I would teach her daughter to drive. I was ecstatic! We used the Camaro for our "lessons"! It was a really good deal for both of us!

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