About To Cancel My Order!

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I don't want to bash the alternative car. That's a thing of preference. There are a lot of great ones out there, although I agree that the Camaro will turn more heads.

I like the the z and probably would buy one if none of the other 3 American muscle cars existed. At this point in time the big 3 need our help and I am going to do my part.

[UCF w00t]

I know you just want to come on here and make a scene but here's some good points anyways...

Yea, what happened with your vette sucks and they probably should've offered at least a brand new tranny right off the bat but that's probably not their policy. In the end, you got your money back, right? So they did the right thing (I'm sure the dealer won't just be out the 55k). Of course it took a little griping; they'd loose their ass if they just rolled over for every customer that had a problem with their car.

If you're the #1 allocation at your dealer, it wouldn't suprise me if you had your car in April. Wouldn't promise it to ya but I wouldn't doubt it either. The whole October date is when EVERYBODY should have their pre-ordered cars, even those who are number 50 out of 50 allocations at their dealer.

It would be STUPID for GM to promise to build 20,000 cars in 3 months. It's impossible for a new car to be built that fast. They have to start slow and ramp up to make sure they have the kinks out. This isn't just with cars, this is with every manufactured product. They would have to massively overbuild and plan for the production in order be able to do that and then later cut tons of jobs, lines, shifts, etc in order to scale back down to a sustainable level of production. All the suppliers would have to do the same and there would be lawsuits over it I'm sure.

I think you should stick to your expertise of working on cars instead of trying to offer advice on manufacturing logistics. What you're expecting them to do would waste millions (billions?) of dollars only to make a small minority of their customers slightly happier.

And keep in mind that even though they expect v6 demand to far outweigh v8 demand (look at the Mustang for current, historical evidence) they're prepared for a 50/50 production split at least early on to try and account for the early demand of v8s.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by pinkcamaro10

yeah im a bit confused, you made a post that you are about to cancel your order, even though you had planned on keeping it at selling it on ebay???

or was that a joke?

Please cancel the order so somebody else can buy it at msrp as you threatened Gm u would do in the title of this thread.

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by Supermans

I like the the z and probably would buy one if none of the other 3 American muscle cars existed. At this point in time the big 3 need our help and I am going to do my part.

I respect the fact that you are on of the only ones that are not bashing me too bad. Yeah, I'm not a Mustang or Challenger guy at all! I personally have a hatred towards Ford and Dodge! I like the Z, it may not be the fastest car, but liek I said they are fun which is what driving is all about. But they are respectable:

0-60: 4.7
1/4 mile: 13.2@106 mph
Skidpad: .99g
Slalom: 71.4 mph

The last two specs are actually better than a Vette!
Skidpad: .95g (base) / .98g (Z51)
Slalom: 69.2 mph

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

I know you just want to come on here and make a scene but here's some good points anyways...

Yea, what happened with your vette sucks and they probably should've offered at least a brand new tranny right off the bat but that's probably not their policy. In the end, you got your money back, right? So they did the right thing (I'm sure the dealer won't just be out the 55k). Of course it took a little griping; they'd loose their ass if they just rolled over for every customer that had a problem with their car.

If you're the #1 allocation at your dealer, it wouldn't suprise me if you had your car in April. Wouldn't promise it to ya but I wouldn't doubt it either. The whole October date is when EVERYBODY should have their pre-ordered cars, even those who are number 50 out of 50 allocations at their dealer.

It would be STUPID for GM to promise to build 20,000 cars in 3 months. It's impossible for a new car to be built that fast. They have to start slow and ramp up to make sure they have the kinks out. This isn't just with cars, this is with every manufactured product. They would have to massively overbuild and plan for the production in order be able to do that and then later cut tons of jobs, lines, shifts, etc in order to scale back down to a sustainable level of production. All the suppliers would have to do the same and there would be lawsuits over it I'm sure.

I think you should stick to your expertise of working on cars instead of trying to offer advice on manufacturing logistics. What you're expecting them to do would waste millions (billions?) of dollars only to make a small minority of their customers slightly happier.

And keep in mind that even though they expect v6 demand to far outweigh v8 demand (look at the Mustang for current, historical evidence) they're prepared for a 50/50 production split at least early on to try and account for the early demand of v8s.

Yeah, I know I'm not a genius! I wasn't trying to really offer advice. I'm just a really upset customer venting on a forum, which is what they are here for. But, I respect what you said and you are a very well mannered human being. You are probably right, I am just overreacting. If I were to have the car by June it wouldn't be a big deal, but I don't want to miss summer with the Camaro! Summer is the best time to own a Sports Car, right? Thanks for calming me down though!

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by Supermans

Please cancel the order so somebody else can buy it at msrp as you threatened Gm u would do in the title of this thread.

I'm not canceling the order till I make up my mind. It would be nice to keep one car and sell the SS on Ebay but I probably wouldn't even though the extra money would be awesome! We'll see what happens, but I know a guy who ordered 2 Camaros from 2 different dealerships and he's going to def. sell one of them if not both on Ebay, I guess that wouldn't be cool! But, it is a great idea, old rich guys love going on ebay and buying things way over MSRP!

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

I read the thread...So...You're gonna cancel your order cuz you waited long enough you're gonna get a z, and you're pissed cuz your vette has a bad transaxle, and you're gonna keep the camaro but sell it to some rich dude with money, but you might wait...We'll see. Is that right?

Originally Posted by pinkcamaro10

yeah im a bit confused, you made a post that you are about to cancel your order, even though you had planned on keeping it at selling it on ebay???

or was that a joke?

I'm sorry for the confusion. And, if you are both trying to be smart @sses I don't appreciate it! I'm just really upset by this whole thing with the Camaro and I'm venting which is what people do on forums. And I said I was about to cancel my order, not that I did. And, I was contemplating keeping the SS order to sell it, but I really wouldn't do that, that would be a scumbag thing to do in my eyes. So, please give me a break! :(

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

I'm sorry for the confusion. And, if you are both trying to be smart @sses I don't appreciate it! I'm just really upset by this whole thing with the Camaro and I'm venting which is what people do on forums. And I said I was about to cancel my order, not that I did. And, I was contemplating keeping the SS order to sell it, but I really wouldn't do that, that would be a scumbag thing to do in my eyes. So, please give me a break! :(

I'm glad you admit keeping it to sell on Fleebay would be the scumbag thing to do. Forgive me as I too thought that is what your intentions were to do in this case...

It is ok to vent, and I'm trying real hard to figure out exactly why you are still venting after you got your money back for the Vette which I agree should have been handled better by GM. However do you really think Nissan would have given you better treatment than GM did in the same situation. You should go visit the Nissan GT-R forums and see what those people got from Nissan for using the launch control which is the only way to get the 0-60 times advertised...

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by Supermans

I'm glad you admit keeping it to sell on Fleebay would be the scumbag thing to do. Forgive me as I too thought that is what your intentions were to do in this case...

It is ok to vent, and I'm trying real hard to figure out exactly why you are still venting after you got your money back for the Vette which I agree should have been handled better by GM. However do you really think Nissan would have given you better treatment than GM did in the same situation. You should go visit the Nissan GT-R forums and see what those people got from Nissan for using the launch control which is the only way to get the 0-60 times advertised...

I understand. I'm not sure, but i would've gotten another car. Trust me I've bought plenty of Chevys/GM's from the dealer I got my Vette and ordered my SS from and got my money back. And, I bought plenty of Z's over the years, when I didn't have a Vette, and I also would've gotten my money or another car from them too! The truth is the dealer would only lose tax, because they stick a reman unit in the car and sell it new when it doesn't leave the lot! Plus, I'm good friends with both owners of the dealer. They are like uncles to me!

But, the dealer has a decision to make lose the business of over 20 years which has been more than tax on this one car, or give the guy what he wants and have a happy customer coming back for more! I wouldn't have a problem with the Nissan dealer either, now I'm sure Nissan Corp. wouldn't do anything different either. But, I also have luckily never had a problem with my Z's either!

Not to say I wouldn't I just haven't. I just feel the Z might be the better way to go, a more pure sports car. But, as of now I'm still the waiting owner of a Camaro SS, and I might be anyways so no worries!

[bolteon593]

in all honesty, i dont think anyone cares. as was posted in the first page, there's a violin playing for you somehwere.

thanks for sharing though.

[Mr Twisty]

Not everyone vents on public forums, their main intent is to inform. People ask questions, and hopefully they get answered. In the case of this site, it can be entertaining as well.

It's just hard to stomach someone posting with a chip on their shoulder, you don't want answers, you want sympathy, and apparently, to badmouth GM in the process. Not trying to be a smartass, I just think you could have handled the situation better is all.

I haven't read your post history, but you're coming across as a troll from a z site.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

I talked to my dealer today who spoke with GM and found out that I will be guaranteed my Camaro 2SS/RS by October '09. Sorry, but this is unexceptable! I ordered the first day and was told upon order that I would have a car no later than May...

Guaranteed as in "no later than". There is EVERY likelihood you'll get it sooner.
And the may comment was the dealer's fault. They should have never committed to a delivery date like that.

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

The bad news for GM is I won't be purchasing another GM vehicle to replace the Camaro, I will, however, give my hard earned dollar to Nissan with their new 370Z! My first car was a Z and I always loved them! But, I eventually got a Vette, which was nice and faster, but it was never a better overall package than my Z. Especially for everyday driving. I will sleep on it, but I must say it is looking pretty slim that I will be driving a 2010 Camaro SS or any other GM vehicle for awhile maybe ever! This is another sour taste GM has given me, and it possibly may have been the last straw!

Sorry for the rant!

I won't comment much on the buying from Nissan decision. I don't think it's right, especially right now...when GM, and Ford have a few products you could get instead of that thing.

I will recommend you not gauge GM on this issue. Which...is really a NON-issue. You must realize you're taking part in extraordinary circumstances, on top of the already rare event of pre-ordering. Sleep on it for sure. You're giving up too much over a very small problem, I promise.

[1967rsss]

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

Yeah I've had bad luck! I also had an '05 Vette that was recalled for the crank being no good, on the first shipment of '05 Vettes, when they first came out! And for the bad roof clips, my roof blew off on the highway! My engine had to come out and be swapped and I got rid of that car for a new one, and the roof clips had to be changed!

I had one of the first 05's produced, vin 000079's. with no problems. I've never heard of bad cranks.

I was hard on the car, even put twin turbos on the stock engine and made over 600 RWHP, and ran 10.02.

Now if you want to talk about the rear. Weakest rear they built. They redesigned it for the 06.

If you rally think Nissan is better, than go for it. I personally feel there is no comparison, 2 completely different cars.

[Jamestwilliams]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I've got to say that I'm sorry to hear this. At the same time, it is normal for any company that produces complex parts to try to resolve the complaint by replacing the part that has received complaints. Wanting GM to invest a new Corvette in a consumer with a transmission problem would be a waste of resources if every person expected this for every complaint. It is a shame that one car ruined your perspective of a company that makes hundreds of thousands of cars per year, most of which get near-perfect scores in prescreens and build reviews.

That would actually be millions of cars every year.