160 Degree Thermostat and Car Issues....

[danhr]

not that i'm disagreeing with you, or your ability to copy and paste

but your name is not ted

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

Ted you seem to be a pretty knowledgeable and level headed guy. Is there any DATA to support the NEED for a oil catch can?

I believe that GM did a good job for the Stock Engine or even one with a CAI and Headers as a Daily driver.

When you start reving the engine harder, or start making more power and using it, adding a supercharger etc. then Absolutely.

Oil control at slow engine speeds is no problem for the rings, and gets worse as the revs go up, more blow by occurs and more oil vapor is created and separating those oil vapors from the PCV system can be Nothing But POSITIVE.

Ted.

[Dan@showstopper]

Originally Posted by danhr

not that i'm disagreeing with you, or your ability to copy and paste

but your name is not ted

How do you know his name isn't Ted?

[BLACK10]

im keeping my 160* stat in.

[camaro52010]

Originally Posted by Dan@showstopper

How do you know his name isn't Ted?

Thanks Dan, your friend Ted

[aj2ssrs]

Question for those running a 160 thermostat. What's your coolant temperature range after the engine is totally warmed up? I have the stock thermostat in and the coolant temps range from 189 to 202 degrees. This is with a tune so my fans come on sooner. From memory, I think the all stock the numbers were 200 to 212.

[MarylandSpeed]

I am not really here to have a pissing match with anyone over T-stats. I will tell you on my own cars, they run about 20 degrees cooler with the Thermostats. In terms of performance, and SOTP driving, it is a not something you are gonna notice. However the LS motors like to be cool..and anything you can do to help that is a plus. They are to oposite of the Hemi motors in that respect..put a 160 in a Hemi, and it will be useless. It's cheap, makes your car run a little cooler, and is harmless.

All that being said, I mean this really is not a prove why it works kind of thing. SLP and Lingenfelter have been selling and putting these T-stats in their cars for years. Those two shops along have built thousands of high performance LSX cars. I have been selling LS parts now for 7 years, and have dealt with dozens of tuners, and thousands of customers and the consensus has been that there is no real down side even if you're not gonna see huge results. If anyone has any real concerns over the product, I think if you go over on some of the really technical LS forums dedicated to this stuff, you will get a pretty good consensus.

[HtownSS]

Originally Posted by aj2ssrs

Question for those running a 160 thermostat. What's your coolant temperature range after the engine is totally warmed up? I have the stock thermostat in and the coolant temps range from 189 to 202 degrees. This is with a tune so my fans come on sooner. From memory, I think the all stock the numbers were 200 to 212.

182-188, higher when it warmer outside currently 60deg, oil temp much higher?

[2SSCAMARO]

My feelings on the thermostats are this. If the vehicle is supercharged which mine is), and/or you live in the desert southwest, or deep south (which I do) where several months the ambient temps are in the 90's, I would run a 160 stat (which I do). If I lived in the mid states I would consider a 180 degree and if I lived in the northern states I would keep the 192 stat. I am not only concerned with the coolant temps but also my oil pressure and oil temp and transmission oil temp. My experiences in southern Florida are this: My oil temp comes right up to 220 degrees within about five minutes of driving and my transmission temp goes up to 180 degrees and almost never anything higher. My coolant temps will vary based on how hard the car is driven from about 176 to about 192.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

I am not really here to have a pissing match with anyone over T-stats. I will tell you on my own cars, they run about 20 degrees cooler with the Thermostats. In terms of performance, and SOTP driving, it is a not something you are gonna notice. However the LS motors like to be cool..and anything you can do to help that is a plus. They are to oposite of the Hemi motors in that respect..put a 160 in a Hemi, and it will be useless. It's cheap, makes your car run a little cooler, and is harmless.

All that being said, I mean this really is not a prove why it works kind of thing. SLP and Lingenfelter have been selling and putting these T-stats in their cars for years. Those two shops along have built thousands of high performance LSX cars. I have been selling LS parts now for 7 years, and have dealt with dozens of tuners, and thousands of customers and the consensus has been that there is no real down side even if you're not gonna see huge results. If anyone has any real concerns over the product, I think if you go over on some of the really technical LS forums dedicated to this stuff, you will get a pretty good consensus.

Your Right it is Not a Pissing match it is a technical discussion.

How do you know that LS motors Like to Be cool?

People sell MILLIONS of pills on the internet too, doesn't mean they work.

I want to hear, WHY ARE 160 STATS BENEFICIAL, AND NO ONE HAS STEPPED UP with any technical data to support such claims.

Like you don't see the down side, I don't see the up side, except to sell product.

Same goes for TR6 Plugs, The cars run like Crap with them but everyone still sells them.

I have had numerous complaints of driveability from other shops installing TR6 spark plugs, I have the customer reinstall they're stock plugs and Magically the Car runs Perfect again.

ASK Any Professional Engine builder, and I am not talking your average Joe engine builder, I am talking Nascar, Bush North, etc. engine builders what temp they run they're engines at for the most Grueling Test of an engine they're is.

210-230 is what I hear all the time.

Ted.

[HtownSS]

Originally Posted by HtownSS

182-188, higher when it warmer outside currently 60deg, oil temp much higher?

FYi, I put in a call to a very reputable "well known" LS engine builder and was infromed that It would be fine, just warm up the car a bit before taking off.

Although I am far south in the US where it does not get really cold.

[aj2ssrs]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

I am not really here to have a pissing match with anyone over T-stats. I will tell you on my own cars, they run about 20 degrees cooler with the Thermostats. In terms of performance, and SOTP driving, it is a not something you are gonna notice. However the LS motors like to be cool..and anything you can do to help that is a plus. They are to oposite of the Hemi motors in that respect..put a 160 in a Hemi, and it will be useless. It's cheap, makes your car run a little cooler, and is harmless.

All that being said, I mean this really is not a prove why it works kind of thing. SLP and Lingenfelter have been selling and putting these T-stats in their cars for years. Those two shops along have built thousands of high performance LSX cars. I have been selling LS parts now for 7 years, and have dealt with dozens of tuners, and thousands of customers and the consensus has been that there is no real down side even if you're not gonna see huge results. If anyone has any real concerns over the product, I think if you go over on some of the really technical LS forums dedicated to this stuff, you will get a pretty good consensus.

Wasn't looking to have a pissing match, just curious how much difference there is in temperature with the lower thermostat. If it isn't that much different than why bother.

Originally Posted by HtownSS

182-188, higher when it warmer outside currently 60deg, oil temp much higher?

Thanks HtownSS. So you are running about 7 degrees cooler than I am. Normal driving I'm 189 to 194. Temperature climbs in traffic maxxing out at 202. I guess the debate will continue, I personaly don't see what's to gain from several degrees but I may be wrong. It's a bigger difference if everything is stock, about a 17 degree swing on the cooler side. Are you tuned with the fans coming on earlier?

[MarylandSpeed]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Like you don't see the down side, I don't see the up side, except to sell product.

Yeah because my whole business is built on making $3 off T-stats. It costs me more than that to process the order. You are welcome to your opinion Ted, however I am just gonna say it flys in the face of pretty much everything that I have heard and seen in my 7 years of dealing with LSx's. I would say your opinion is definatly in the minority. I am not sure what you want in terms of data? To me it seems simple. T-stat opens sooner, engine does not get as hot. Any time you can run something cooler, that is a positive. Like I said, if you want data, call LPE or SLP, they have probaly more experiance than all of us.

SLP's product description seems to make it sound like they beleive in them-
http://www.slponline.com/view_product.asp?P=100229

On the TR6 plugs, they are one step colder for forced induction or nitrous. I have them on my Magnacharged GTO and they run great. Only time we ever get complaints on them is when people crack them installing. Tuning I would think plays a part in how an engine runs witha certain plug..especially FI.

[danhr]

I believe ted is referring to when people run them for nitrous. The TR6 is a projected tip, which isn't ideal for running with nitrous, yet a lot of people do it because "the internet said so". More people have better luck with the br's