Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by esperman

why are you guys having a pissing match over this? Wow. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work on your own small block chevy..the basic designs been around awhile. MODS are cheap for it.

who is modding a small block chevy in here? all i see is LS motorheads. the LS IS NOT A CLASSIC SMALL BLOCK. its a next gen. and the LS3 is the latest gen of the LS.

[Entaille]

know it all, biased, and he's ready to waste a lot of time arguing.. you are best off just ignoring him.

[esperman]

Originally Posted by assasinator

who is modding a small block chevy in here? all i see is LS motorheads. the LS IS NOT A CLASSIC SMALL BLOCK. its a next gen. and the LS3 is the latest gen of the LS.

you are correct, but it still is OHV, cam in block...improved for sure, same old basic design & layout.

The new Ford 5.0 has nothing in common with the old 5.0.
I would think modding the drive train the newer 32v would cost much more than the older engine, or a a new LS engine. (based on the Ford's newer tech)

[THE EVIL TW1N]

LOL @ people who think just because you move the cam over the head that it somehow becomes something akin to alien technology and impossible to understand or work on.

[esperman]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

LOL @ people who think just because you move the cam over the head that it somehow becomes something akin to alien technology and impossible to understand or work on.

What posts make these claims you refer to?

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I've seen where the engine sits in the cami, it certainly does not look like fun reaching down there to put the heads back on and setting the valvetrain which is why most people on here would pay someone else to do it to $ave them the grief.

Yes, I'm sure a DIY 5.0 GT owner will have a much easier and cheaper time working on those DOHC heads & 32 valves in the stang, especially since the Camaro & it's 16 valves are so hard & expensive to work on.

LOL, and then you flame a Camaro guy who has, and done it pretty cheaply, and posts receipts.

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

your posts are starting to look like an advertisement for West Coast Cylinder heads by the oversimplification and cost of the mods which might even fly in the face of this sites very sponsors!

Cry baby. LOL

I'd be interested to see a poll on how many users ignore you altogether.

[Chris@Livernois]

Originally Posted by esperman

you are correct, but it still is OHV, cam in block...improved for sure, same old basic design & layout.

The new Ford 5.0 has nothing in common with the old 5.0.
I would think modding the drive train the newer 32v would cost much more than the older engine, or a a new LS engine. (based on the Ford's newer tech)

The modular engines are much more expensive to build than a pushrod engine like the LS.

The rotating assembly is close in price between the two. Beyond that labor to assemble and parts are much more expensive. An LS cam is roughly $399. A set of 4-valve cams is $1,200. We sell a fully CNC'd assembled set of stage 3 L92 heads for $2,299. A set of the previous generation 4-valve heads sells for $3,299. If you want them assembled with cams, lash adjusters, followers, etc ready to bolt on they are around $5,900.

The new 5.0 4-valve is even more complicated, because it has the Ti-VCT system, oil squirters, etc.

-Rick

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by UCI CamaroFan

lol... what class are you writing this paper for?

Anyways, I think you should take note that while a Camaro is more car than a Mustang, it was created in order to compete directly with the mustang. When the Camaro was cancelled in 2002, GM had no plans of resurrecting it until the 2005 retro redesign of the Mustang turned out to be a big hit.

It is also worth noting that the Mustang is more American than the Camaro because the Mustang was supposed to be an affordable roadster/sportscar. The Mustang sparked a revolution in the car making world by creating this new class of car, the pony car. Also, because of its price, virtually any American could buy one, and that is why they sold millions of them.

So, personally while I adore my Camaro and I prefer the styling of most Camaros to Mustangs, I would say that the Mustang is better than the Camaro due to its impact on society.

can't disagree with this comment no matter how you slice it!

althoguh both have gotten away from their purpose as affordable cars. yes i realize a base V8 for both models are in the low 30's which is affordable. but with all the things that most drivers want and command in a car these days a SS or 5.0 is almost or over $40k not really affordable. i remember when i statred driving a loaded GT Mustang was $26k and a Z28 Camaro about $28k and a Cobra SVT was $38k and an SS was $35k! they are really starting to get out of hand as far as pricing is concerned in my opinion.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

LOL @ people who think just because you move the cam over the head that it somehow becomes something akin to alien technology and impossible to understand or work on.

Originally Posted by Rick@Livernois

The modular engines are much more expensive to build than a pushrod engine like the LS.

The rotating assembly is close in price between the two. Beyond that labor to assemble and parts are much more expensive. An LS cam is roughly $399. A set of 4-valve cams is $1,200. We sell a fully CNC'd assembled set of stage 3 L92 heads for $2,299. A set of the previous generation 4-valve heads sells for $3,299. If you want them assembled with cams, lash adjusters, followers, etc ready to bolt on they are around $5,900.

The new 5.0 4-valve is even more complicated, because it has the Ti-VCT system, oil squirters, etc.

-Rick

Rick beat me to the punch......it's not alien tech, but is sure as hell costs almost as much as a hyperdrive to put cams and heads on them.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

can't disagree with this comment no matter how you slice it!

althoguh both have gotten away from their purpose as affordable cars. yes i realize a base V8 for both models are in the low 30's which is affordable. but with all the things that most drivers want and command in a car these days a SS or 5.0 is almost or over $40k not really affordable. i remember when i statred driving a loaded GT Mustang was $26k and a Z28 Camaro about $28k and a Cobra SVT was $38k and an SS was $35k! they are really starting to get out of hand as far as pricing is concerned in my opinion.

Because they're not building shit boxes anymore. Let's be honest, the imported sports cars used to dominate in everything but a straight line. Ford and GM are trying to appeal to the average buyer more by having a better interior, better ride quality and top notch amenities. A big engine and sloppy everything else doesn't cut it anymore and the upgrades cost money. The camaro and mustang are world beaters in their price range now. And hell, the v6 mustang and camaro are competitive with their earlier counterparts. The v6 mustang in particular, will pull a 2v gt. The camaro and mustang are much more impressive now than they were 10 years ago. Much, MUCH more impressive.

[CoolestCamaro873]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Because they're not building shit boxes anymore. Let's be honest, the imported sports cars used to dominate in everything but a straight line. Ford and GM are trying to appeal to the average buyer more by having a better interior, better ride quality and top notch amenities. A big engine and sloppy everything else doesn't cut it anymore and the upgrades cost money. The camaro and mustang are world beaters in their price range now. And hell, the v6 mustang and camaro are competitive with their earlier counterparts. The v6 mustang in particular, will pull a 2v gt. The camaro and mustang are much more impressive now than they were 10 years ago. Much, MUCH more impressive.

not debating its quality or performance but again they were made to be affordable, and even though both are very attainable to me they are not for every guy and (or) girl!

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by CoolestCamaro873

not debating its quality or performance but again they were made to be affordable, and even though both are very attainable to me they are not for every guy and (or) girl!

A base 2002 z28 msrp was 22,500.

Adjusted for inlfation this would be nearly 28,000 today if you bought a base car with absolutely zero extra options in 2001. A 2002 camaro SS....those could get VERY pricey.

Not seeing a problem with the price. A couple thousand less would be nice....but I am not sure this is very realistic given what the cars are offering nowadays.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Yup, the prices are one thing we shouldn't be complaining about with these cars. Even the Challenger SRT8 is decently priced compared to historical norms, it just sticks out relative to the current crop.

[assasinator]

woo hoo, we can stop talking about the 2011 mustang GT. finals builds will take place. orders for 2012's are being taken now. no more 2011GT.

[8cd03gro]

Are there any changes for 2012?