Rumor: Camaro ZL1 base price: $47,000. Per C&D (Update: Debunked by fbodfather?) - Page 16 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Sleestack · 02-13-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by camarocrazy28

While I think 47,000 is less than everyone expected it kind of makes sense. That price is a few thousand less than the Shelby GT-500. GT-500s are built in the Ford's Mustang factory, then shipped to Shelby in Las Vegas for modifacation at a considerable cost in freight alone. Assuming that GM will build the ZL-1 in the Camaro factory completely would enable GM to undercut the GT-500's cost considerably. Heres to hoping Car and Driver is right. If they are my plans have changed and I will be getting a ZL-1 instead of an SS!

The GT500 is built entirely by Ford, bought mine off the dealer showroom. Only the KR was shipped to Shelby directly from Ford (or SuperSnake shipped to Shelby by the end Customer). $47k sounds a bit low for the ZL1, but GM should not go much above the GT500 in price. I would not pay more for it, mainly since the LSA with cast pistons and limited blower options can't come close to matching the big power upgrades available in the Forged GT500 powerplant.

THE EVIL TW1N · 02-13-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ramairjohn2000

I said I would not spend 50k on a camaro, I never said I couldn't lol.
And I am the guy that this car is targeted at because I want something with better engineering and technology out of the box. I just cant justify a camaro for over 55K when all is said is done. .

I see. So you want better engineering and technology, you just don't want to pay for it.

Mark Myles · 02-13-2011, 10:38 AM

After reading through all of the above posts, it's very clear to me that anyone planning to purchase the new ZL1 will in fact be paying more than $50K for this car, which is sad. By the time you add tax, title, reg, dealer mark up, and options, you will be well over $50K for a "Camaro" ZL1.

Once a buyer crests the $50K mark for a "car", attrition of buyers takes a huge hit. If you can drop $50K on a "car" and think nothing of it, you most certainly can afford something more expensive.

I know there are plenty of people on this forum that believe in their hearts that the ZL1 is worth $55K, and a "deal" at that price. I'm truly happy for you and I'm sure you will be very proud of this car when purchased.

For me personally, I've spent a lot of money over the years on new cars and all but 1 of them were GM. Buying so many new cars over the years has taught me a valuable lesson.

To spark my personal interest, the ZL1's base price would need to be $43K for me to even consider a purchase. Sorry, this is just my personal take on the topic. The 2SS was what, $32K - $34, I don't remember. I believe most of the items on this car have been in place on other vehicles long enough to keep the price down. It also appears not much has changed regarding the body to justify such a large jump in price over the 2SS.

If I were to spend over $50K on a "car", it would be a luxury vehicle or sport car similar to the Vette. Or buy a second home..lol.

I truly am happy for everyone that plans to purchase the new ZL1, GM hit another home run with this car. I just hope the pricing doesn't scare too many buyers away, because all this talk about $50K has done it for me..lol!

I'll just keep my 2SS and enjoy it!

M

2010SLVRBULIT · 02-13-2011, 11:03 AM

I certainly don't want to dampen your zeal for what you see - but I also don't want someone out there thinking: 43K!!!!![/QUOTE]

Unless they're just looking to unload all the ss built, you would think that they would start the base lower than the GT500 to sway those buyers into a ZL1. Now as far as mark-ups are concerned, they'll help to reduce GM sales#s...

DevilKnightFalcon · 02-13-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I see. So you want better engineering and technology, you just don't want to pay for it.

That's how it seems to me....I don't know how anyone can expect this car to be so significantly higher performance than the SS but then expect it to come in at the low 40s in price...Chevrolet does need to make money on these you know.

lets_go_bills · 02-13-2011, 12:57 PM

With pricing not expected to be announced until Q4, this debate is gonna rage on for quite some time, lol.

el ess A · 02-13-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleestack

The GT500 is built entirely by Ford

Well, Houston, looks like we've found the problem!

*Mr. Wyndham* · 02-13-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fbodfather

The Team continues to work on this car - meaning the developmental work -- to get all the details just right. How do you price something when you're not done?

Pricing is always one of the last things done on a car. True: you have a target in mind, but anyone who gives you a price on this car is guessing (in most cases with little or no real knowledge of the content and percentage of 'specific' parts .....meaning those being unique to the ZL1)

I certainly don't want to dampen your zeal for what you see - but I also don't want someone out there thinking: 43K!!!!!

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Originally Posted by fbodfather

It's SIMPLE ----

It has the bowtie on the grille........simple as that!

And thanks, Fbod!!!!!

I'd caution everyone here not to psych themselves out one way or the other and understand one very simple thing:

The ZL1 is going to compete against the GT500, that much has been made officially known...."compete" also includes MSRP. Will it be cheaper? More expensive? By how much?

Not a clue -- but thinking it'll be $43k, or $63k are both "WAY out in left-field" guestimates...

EDIT: Oh, and by the way -- DON'T PAY DEALER MARKUPS!!!!!

2010-1SS-IBM · 02-13-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilKnightFalcon

That's how it seems to me....I don't know how anyone can expect this car to be so significantly higher performance than the SS but then expect it to come in at the low 40s in price...Chevrolet does need to make money on these you know.

Then they should make them affordable. I'm getting a little tired of the anti-affordability crowd in the Z forum...

fbodfather · 02-13-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

I see complacency is starting to build back up already. Hopefully upper management doesn't have the same point of view, GM was just beginning to do better too. :flag1:

*Frantically calls 911*

Hello! 911??? I'd like to report a robbery!!!!

Someone STOLE "The Evil Tw1n's" sense of humor!!!!!

Something to ponder: This is a Camaro

Enthusiast site.

Rest assured that we are not complacent.

garagelogic · 02-13-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Then they should make them affordable. I'm getting a little tired of the anti-affordability crowd in the Z forum...

Affordability is relative. Many people would consider the base Camaro "unaffordable". Nobody "deserves" a ZL1 at a price they feel is appropriate. GM sets the price, the buyer determines whether or not they can/will buy the car.

camaro5 · 02-13-2011, 07:48 PM

50k out the door would be ok.

SummoneR · 02-13-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro5

50k out the door would be ok.

I'm thinking $55k OTD easy Probably more.

ramairjohn2000 · 02-13-2011, 10:18 PM

i just need to ask why would anyone not want the zl1 to be affordable????????? especially for those of those that CAN afford it, don't we want to make sure that our dollars are spent in the best way possible, for whatever we are purchasing? I am not expecting the zl1 to be 40k, but as i steated more than 50k breaks it. especially after all the money that we just spent bailing out gm and the fact that some of the ceo's 2010bonuses are nearly 50% of some of their employees salaries???? dont we as loyal customers and INVESTORS deserve the best product ast the best price????? if you are not thinking through how you spend every dime especially in today's new economy you are wither very rich or well lets just say best of luck over the next 20+ years. aslo the term affordable is the same for everyone, again unless you are very rich, 50k is a heck of alot of money to invest into a car, which immediately depreciates 17% at a minimimum once you drive it off a lot. I am suprised that as crowd of enthusiats and supporters we are all not in the same boat and of the same voice telling gm what we expect and what we are willing to pay. i thought we were all on the same team.
and the btw as you say chevy/ gm needs to make money you know did anyone not notice 2010 was one of their best years in a while and do you not think seeling more cars would not generate more volume or do you want to lock out potential buyers, ie potential profit with a price point that turns off the customers????? simple rules of business, especially in todays new economy. but enuff with the specualtion i guess we will see what the price is and if it works.

02-13-2011, 12:57 PM	#216
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02-13-2011, 10:38 AM	#213
Mark Myles Drives: 2010 2SS/RS IBM / Silver Stripes Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Northeast Michigan Posts: 601	After reading through all of the above posts, it's very clear to me that anyone planning to purchase the new ZL1 will in fact be paying more than $50K for this car, which is sad. By the time you add tax, title, reg, dealer mark up, and options, you will be well over $50K for a "Camaro" ZL1. Once a buyer crests the $50K mark for a "car", attrition of buyers takes a huge hit. If you can drop $50K on a "car" and think nothing of it, you most certainly can afford something more expensive. I know there are plenty of people on this forum that believe in their hearts that the ZL1 is worth $55K, and a "deal" at that price. I'm truly happy for you and I'm sure you will be very proud of this car when purchased. For me personally, I've spent a lot of money over the years on new cars and all but 1 of them were GM. Buying so many new cars over the years has taught me a valuable lesson. To spark my personal interest, the ZL1's base price would need to be $43K for me to even consider a purchase. Sorry, this is just my personal take on the topic. The 2SS was what, $32K - $34, I don't remember. I believe most of the items on this car have been in place on other vehicles long enough to keep the price down. It also appears not much has changed regarding the body to justify such a large jump in price over the 2SS. If I were to spend over $50K on a "car", it would be a luxury vehicle or sport car similar to the Vette. Or buy a second home..lol. I truly am happy for everyone that plans to purchase the new ZL1, GM hit another home run with this car. I just hope the pricing doesn't scare too many buyers away, because all this talk about $50K has done it for me..lol! I'll just keep my 2SS and enjoy it! M

02-13-2011, 11:03 AM	#214
2010SLVRBULIT Drives: G5(LLT) & C6(LS3) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MARS Posts: 7,525 View My Garage	I certainly don't want to dampen your zeal for what you see - but I also don't want someone out there thinking: 43K!!!!![/QUOTE] Unless they're just looking to unload all the ss built, you would think that they would start the base lower than the GT500 to sway those buyers into a ZL1. Now as far as mark-ups are concerned, they'll help to reduce GM sales#s...

02-13-2011, 07:48 PM	#222
camaro5 Drives: X-15 Velocipede Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SW Florida Posts: 4,630	50k out the door would be ok.

02-13-2011, 10:18 PM	#224
ramairjohn2000 Drives: 2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 28	i just need to ask why would anyone not want the zl1 to be affordable????????? especially for those of those that CAN afford it, don't we want to make sure that our dollars are spent in the best way possible, for whatever we are purchasing? I am not expecting the zl1 to be 40k, but as i steated more than 50k breaks it. especially after all the money that we just spent bailing out gm and the fact that some of the ceo's 2010bonuses are nearly 50% of some of their employees salaries???? dont we as loyal customers and INVESTORS deserve the best product ast the best price????? if you are not thinking through how you spend every dime especially in today's new economy you are wither very rich or well lets just say best of luck over the next 20+ years. aslo the term affordable is the same for everyone, again unless you are very rich, 50k is a heck of alot of money to invest into a car, which immediately depreciates 17% at a minimimum once you drive it off a lot. I am suprised that as crowd of enthusiats and supporters we are all not in the same boat and of the same voice telling gm what we expect and what we are willing to pay. i thought we were all on the same team. and the btw as you say chevy/ gm needs to make money you know did anyone not notice 2010 was one of their best years in a while and do you not think seeling more cars would not generate more volume or do you want to lock out potential buyers, ie potential profit with a price point that turns off the customers????? simple rules of business, especially in todays new economy. but enuff with the specualtion i guess we will see what the price is and if it works.