Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[JHL88]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

As one who owns a SuperCharged 2010 SS and a 2011 GT500, IMHO, the 5.0 is a better buy..... lighter, faster, even better with the 3.73 gears. The 5th gen camaro is still new, so it still gets more looks but that will change in time, sooner than later. 90% of the people who admire the Camaro do so because of the Transformers movie. I know this because when I drive my Camaro, people who ask, stare, comment about the car are young (mostly teens, kids, women) and the type that I wouldn't consider, "car people." On the other hand, people who approach and comment on my "Mustang" are the "car type" people. Despite of its solid axle, I feel the 2011 Mustang Gt (one I test drove) actually handles better than the SS. I always test drive in the Santa Monica Mountains, 10 miles from my work and dealerships.
The cam5 5th gen forum is very active now because again, the car is new. Just like the Mustang GT forums are starting to get busy again.
What I really dislike about the 5th Gen Camaro....the weight and soft suspension.

+1 i agree with everything you said. when i had my 98 Z (immaculate condition) i had real car guys come up to me and talk about it. now i have people approach me who dont know what the heck they're talking about and it gets kind of annoyting at times. honestly i didnt buy the camaro bc of looks or thats whats "in" i bought it bc i love LS engines. and fwiw, i wish the 5th gens had a sold rear axle

[TaylorRyanSS]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

That right there looks really good.

That one is lowered and has wider wheels and tires so that helps the stance. There is another pic of it... I will try to find it. The angle of the pic make it rear look cooler too.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by antimatr

My '11 GT has averaged around 16.6-17.3 mpg in mostly city driving, though I've been able to eke out a bit over 20 a couple of times if I drive it like a typical Florida retiree (with regards to acceleration - it'll be a while before I'm driving 10-20 below the limit); On the highways, I average around 23-24mpg @ ~80mph on I-95.

The only time I was getting low, and sometimes awful mileage was during my first thousand or so miles while I was breaking it in (and I was rather thorough in that regard, and not all that gentle), and at times I was averaging around 11-12mpg. After that thousand miles, my fuel economy stabilized to the averages I'm getting now.

Oh, and the 2011 has the same 16-gallon tank as the '05-'10.

i average 21-22 city. i drive it easy and get onto OD asap. but i also get 24 highway. it all about how you drive it in the city. i dont drive very quickly unless there is a reason.


IMO you buy the car that makes you feel the way you want when driving it. the one you are passionate about. the cars are a wash in performance. there is literally no difference in total perfomance aside from dragstrip. thats not very important IMO. im not dragging mine.


if you like chevy's buy the SS. dont let modded performance at the strip influence a decision. i bout the GT because of the legendary powerplant and no other reason. i love cadillacs. there will only be ONE first year coyote.

when you consider every other car on the road, we have the two best bang for the buck cars EVER. GT cars that rule. nissan, toyota, hyundai, BMW, audi. none of them can compete at the GT level. same class.

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by 32Fountain

I will buy a new 2011 performance car in the next 30 days. Right now I am leaning toward the Mustang GT 5.0 with the 6M tranny and a 3.73 gear ratio. I have driven both the auto and the manual transmission Mustang with very pleasing results. The dual OHC engine has a unique sound and a tremdous amount of torque for a 5.0 liter engine. The 412 hp rating seems to be understated and the add on performance options are very appealing. There are quite a few companies that are catering to the new Mustang with tuners, CAI systems and exhaust. I am not seeing that with the Camaro. Maybe I just don't know where to look.

Next week I am planning on testing a 2011 Camaro automatic and manual. I have to admit if it was on just looks alone I would be leaning toward the Camaro. However Mustang offers so many options in their appearance groups you can also make the Mustang look pretty darn good as well.

I am asking for your opinion on why I should buy a Camaro over the Mustang.

Thanks,
DL

You are kidding me, right?

[28.]

Originally Posted by mcdoogle6969

You are kidding me, right?

He did say "maybe I don't know where to look" on there..

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

As one who owns a SuperCharged 2010 SS and a 2011 GT500, IMHO, the 5.0 is a better buy..... lighter, faster, even better with the 3.73 gears. The 5th gen camaro is still new, so it still gets more looks but that will change in time, sooner than later. 90% of the people who admire the Camaro do so because of the Transformers movie. I know this because when I drive my Camaro, people who ask, stare, comment about the car are young (mostly teens, kids, women) and the type that I wouldn't consider, "car people." On the other hand, people who approach and comment on my "Mustang" are the "car type" people. Despite of its solid axle, I feel the 2011 Mustang Gt (one I test drove) actually handles better than the SS. I always test drive in the Santa Monica Mountains, 10 miles from my work and dealerships.
The cam5 5th gen forum is very active now because again, the car is new. Just like the Mustang GT forums are starting to get busy again.
What I really dislike about the 5th Gen Camaro....the weight and soft suspension.

this is one of the most intelligent posts ive seen on this forum.

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

The LS motors really take to mods. I mean I have headers, exhaust, a CAI and a Whipple on the stock pulley and ran a high 10 second pass on stock size drag radials w/ no weight reduction. Thats it no other mods.

Mike, you know the 2011 GT's with just a blower and dr radials are running 10.6s through the auto with no weight reduction right?

[porcupinekiller]

VMP Tuning 2011 5.0 automatic Roush S/C Mustang 10.00 at 138 mph.

[Robin Lawrence]

I like my Camaro. It rides nice and is plenty fast. Downsides, the car is too wide, the car is heavy ,the car has IRS

Upside is the LS3 which i replaced with an LSA. Best milage that I ever saw on trips was about 23 MPG. It has a Tremec 6060 Trans with 5th and 6th being overdrive

I picked up a 2011 Mustang for a DD last week. Downsides are, the rear end is ugly, the engine is wide and a pain to work on. It has a cheap trans with 5th gear being one to one. Also first is a stupid low ratio.

Upside is it has a solid rear axle, it's lighter than the Camaro, doesn't automatically come with the Brembos. I can burn 87 octane with a slight power loss. Good for my highway trips. Driving at 70 I see in excess of 27 MPG.

Robin

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

VMP Tuning 2011 5.0 automatic Roush S/C Mustang 10.00 at 138 mph.

Now 10.6 on the 5.0 w/ the 2.3 blower @ 9lbs , auto, headers, exhaust and cai on drag radials I can see 10.6 easy. Knock 300-400lbslbs off my car it should run the same time. So I think that number is dead on. I just can`t make up the 300lbs...Lol.. So I will always be 3 tenths in the hole at the same power level.

Its very simple, at the same power level the mustang will be 3-4tenths faster than the Camaro all other things being equal such as gearing, converter size ect..


OK I found out why it ran 10.0. Nice additional mod list that wsn`t mentioned.. ding ding: 11-12psi on race gas 110-112octane..still an awesome combo and an awesome time!

From SVT performance.com:

You can see how violent the launches are from this shot, the body twists all up, the low end of the TVS and the stock converter make for a very hard hitting combo.

We drove the car to and from the track, the M&Hs were down to the cord, so we will be looking for new tires soon.

The car has been getting progressively quicker, but we’ve just been doing little things here and there. The engine, trans, and torque converter are still totally stock. We have a 72mm pulley on the blower, through the stock airbox it makes 11-12psi, we’re pushing the stock fuel system pretty hard so we only run it with 110 or 112 race gas in this trim. If it had an upgraded fuel system I would not be afraid of pump gas though. Tune tweaks, suspension tweaks, good cool air this time of year in FL, etc, have all resulted in a well dialed in combo.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...2011-5-0l.html

He mentions w/ an upgraded fuel system he would not be worried about using pump gas... I don`t care how much fuel volume you use, even through a garden hose, 93 octane in that high compression motor at 11-12psi is going boom... There is a reason w/ Ford warranties the 7.5lb psi kit for the 5.0 but does not warranty the 9lb kit. 2-3 more lbs a boost over the kit Ford won`t even warranty? yeah not going to be pretty on 93...

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Low 1.4x`s w/ out a converter on a stock motor and lifting a tire in an automatic car? I`m not sure that is possible. 138mph? Thats 13mph more than me and I`m at 536rwhp, yes i am heavier but not 13mph worth, maybe 3-4mph worth for the weight diff. There`s more mods there. Perhaps nitrous, or so much boost it won`t live long, or a converter. They aren`t telling the whole story. The 2.3 Whipple on the Ford at 9lbs makes 625fwhp if I remember correctly and I would think 9lbs is pushing the safety limit w/ the 5.0 compression ratio. Thats 531rwhp w/ a 15% driveline loss, the auto may be more, its close to 20% in the Camaro. So your telling me a 3600-3700lb car w/ 531rwhp will pull the tire and run 138mph in the 1/4? Add headers, exhaust and a CAI and I could see it put down 570rwhp. Still not going 138mph w/ 3600-3700lb raceweight and its probably heavier than that.

Now 10.6 on the 5.0 w/ the 2.3 blower @ 9lbs , auto, headers, exhaust and cai on drag radials I can see 10.6 easy. Knock 300-400lbslbs off my car it should run the same time. So I think that number is dead on. I just can`t make up the 300lbs...Lol.. So I will always be 3 tenths in the hole at the same power level.

Its very simple, at the same power level the mustang will be 3-4tenths faster than the Camaro all other things being equal such as gearing, converter size ect..

well the vid says that the car has a stock motor, trans and converter.
but it also says it has exhaust and suspension work. so theres your 60ft right there. remember, the 6sp auto in these cars have a nasty, almost granny low 1st, so its gonna 60ft good if the hook is there. also, shes on skinnys/fatties so you know going from a stock 19in rim to an aluminum racing 15 in rim saves quite a bit of weight...and just like you said we dont know if any additional weight may have been removed.

as for the mph...well i think youre right...they have the wick turned up pretty high. what kind of gas? if theyre running VP116, then as long as the rods hold up, i can see this happening no problem. but pump gas...neh

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

well the vid says that the car has a stock motor, trans and converter.
but it also says it has exhaust and suspension work. so theres your 60ft right there. remember, the 6sp auto in these cars have a nasty, almost granny low 1st, so its gonna 60ft good if the hook is there. also, shes on skinnys/fatties so you know going from a stock 19in rim to an aluminum racing 15 in rim saves quite a bit of weight...and just like you said we dont know if any additional weight may have been removed.

as for the mph...well i think youre right...they have the wick turned up pretty high. what kind of gas? if theyre running VP116, then as long as the rods hold up, i can see this happening no problem. but pump gas...neh

Thanks for the follow up, I edited my post after I found the thread. The wick is turned up pretty high, but still a fantastic time!

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Thanks for the follow up, I edited my post after I found the thread. The wick is turned up pretty high, but still a fantastic time!

i just went back and re-read your edited post...so theres our explanation, and it makes sense.

but im still in agreement with you...more fuel system to run 93? yeah...no. stick with the good stuff. but im pretty surprised the car is holding up as well as it is...one of those rods are gonna let go soon i imagine.

[28.]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

I like my Camaro. It rides nice and is plenty fast. Downsides, the car is too wide, the car is heavy ,the car has IRS

Upside is the LS3 which i replaced with an LSA. Best milage that I ever saw on trips was about 23 MPG. It has a Tremec 6060 Trans with 5th and 6th being overdrive

I picked up a 2011 Mustang for a DD last week. Downsides are, the rear end is ugly, the engine is wide and a pain to work on. It has a cheap trans with 5th gear being one to one. Also first is a stupid low ratio.

Upside is it has a solid rear axle, it's lighter than the Camaro, doesn't automatically come with the Brembos. I can burn 87 octane with a slight power loss. Good for my highway trips. Driving at 70 I see in excess of 27 MPG.

Robin

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by wbt

Thanks guys!

Will post results after the new dyno pull.

cool, ill be interested to see what changes happen as well.

i just ordered a JLT CAI with a BBR tune. when i get it, i plan on dyno'ing the car stock, install parts and then re-dyno it to get a true apples to apples to see what gains are made from the CAI/tune. my cars an M6