2012 ZL1 vs. 2012 Boss 302

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 91Z28350

Actually, I want a ZL-1. I admit it, I want a stupid fast GT with excellent handling, NOT a track car. I like leather, I like uber sound systems. ZL-1 works just fine for me. if money were no object, I would own a DBS (AND a ZL1).

You have echoed some of the thoughts in my mind exactly.

[JusticePete]

Motor Trend is a day late. We already did this test.



The question is will Ford bring back a Cobra style IRS to equal the Camaro IRS?

[stikSS]

Pit the ZL vs the boss.... it wouldn't make any difference if the Camaro waxed its ass in all catagories, they would still give the nod to the overpriced plasticed car... and yes, its loaded with plastic. I was able to look at one and not much to talk about.... other than it has a big price tag.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Motor Trend is a day late. We already did this test.

My good sir...you brought the Mustang to heights Ford can never hope to achieve...and raised the Camaro past factory ability, as well....

Stick a GT with your street kit versus a Procharged Camaro with the Xa kit and the 305s.

[PYROLYSIS]

I think the ZL1 will compete just fine. We think of it as competing with the GT500 because of the spy photos where they were on the same track and because of them both being supercharged with similar HP. I think GM would have tested it against the boss 302 too if it were available. They've put too much work and technology into the ZL1 for it just to be a straight line performer.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I read this back when the article first came out...I just shook my head. They like to run their mouths...and I've got to say when it comes to inconsistency -- MotorTrend's got the trick down perfectly. So I find it difficult to take their "reviews" seriously.


I say let them test it before using their "reputation" to put some weight behind an uneducated guess. It's very unprofessional to say something like this so far ahead of time...and would seem to shine a bright light on this particular writer's very obvious bias.

I'm sure all of us Camaro fans would have loved it if they had spoken of the ZL1 this way. Hopefully, and I AM KEEPING THE FAITH, GM will be the King of Pony Cars in performance and Street Cred once it hits the testing mags.

I would not expect a ZL1 to underperform a Z/28 or a Boss. We'll See.

[Z_Rocks]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Opinion and a$$hole... everyone has one.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

You have echoed some of the thoughts in my mind exactly.

But you still want the Street Cred! Go ahead Admit It!@ I do!

[htron50]

I've mentioned this before...listen to the rain echo "tap tap tap" and "tin tin tin" as you're sitting in a Mustang and you will forever wonder "why"?

[bobby35ny]

I'm glad the 302 Boss is quick/nimble and has some extra HP. Now GM has a target for the Z/28.
This is gonna be good....
-bobbt

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Motor Trend is a day late. We already did this test.

Really????? Come on!!!! Not even close. Both the Camaro and Mustang have evolved in several key areas since you guys built up your 2010 MY cars.
The 2012 Boss 302 received the 5.0(an N/A 5.0 can easily put down the same numbers or more than your supercharged 4.6 without adding extra weight over the front wheels), 6spd trans, chassis stiffening, electronic P/S and improved brakes and suspension geometry to name a few things. The 2012 ZL1 will have the LSA, beefier drivetrain components, better brakes, etc, etc.
Both base cars are improved dramatically over what you guys had to work with in 2010.

Also quite a few guys seem to be missing one big piece of info....the weight difference. The Boss 302 weighs in at just over 3600 lbs vs the ZL1's estimated 4000+ lbs. A 400 lb weight difference is not an insignificant amount.
Straight line I'm calling the ZL1 the winner, smoother, tighter road courses I'm calling the Boss 302 the winner. Longer tracks with longer straightaways and I think the advantage swings back to the ZL1.
Bottom line....I'm sure they'll both trounce some more expensive euro-cars in more than just a straight line.

[Bails]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

Also quite a few guys seem to be missing one big piece of info....the weight difference. The Boss 302 weighs in at just over 3600 lbs vs the ZL1's estimated 4000+ lbs. A 400 lb weight difference is not an insignificant amount.
Straight line I'm calling the ZL1 the winner, smoother, tighter road courses I'm calling the Boss 302 the winner. Longer tracks with longer straightaways and I think the advantage swings back to the ZL1.
Bottom line....I'm sure they'll both trounce some more expensive euro-cars in more than just a straight line.

This.

I'm pretty sure there's a thread here that pointed out that the Boss 302 beats the Shelby around Laguna Seca so why would it be different with the ZL1? In a drag race the ZL1 or Shelby wins, on a road course the Boss wins. It won't be a blow out but it's what it was made for so it should be expected.

[Good2go]

Originally Posted by Blade

The article mentions it beat the Audi R8's lap time at Laguna Seca.......umm.......HOLY S&*#!!!

Notice they didn't mention which R8...

[10spokess]

I think this summer when I go to summit point or any other road course we are going to have jerk off's driving these car's thinking they are they sh!t and they are going to either take out us driver's who race every year and every season. You should have to build a track car, not be given one.