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SSLarry · 03-15-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ssmike

I can't wait for my MT subscription to expire! Reading Camaro reviews/comparos in that mag is the same as watching Fox News and expecting to hear something good about Obama, doesn't happen!

Hey, no politics.....

And if you know anything good about Obama, please let us know. 2 years and nothing yet.

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truth411 · 03-16-2011, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SSLarry

Hey, no politics.....

And if you know anything good about Obama, please let us know. 2 years and nothing yet.

.

The auto industry, game over, you loose

halo8hkk · 03-16-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HtownSS

Well guys you know who we are dealing with "Motortrend". I have one of the first issues that Motortrend did on the release of the Camaro, and it was mention that they were partial to the Mustang.

Of course I call and canceled my subscription, if I wanted a bias opinion I would go out and buy a Mustang magazine.

*radz28* · 03-16-2011, 10:17 AM

Easy on the politics, please. We know the rules

JerseyMonte · 03-18-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Opinion and a$$hole... everyone has one.

They may be right, but saying that now just shows their bias.

I subscribed to MT for about 10 years
I never seen such a biased magazine
in my many years.
The onions to down a car before it
can be tested.
I think they are owned by Ford motor co.
I never renewed my subscription.

2011 5.0 · 03-18-2011, 09:16 AM

Guys their not biased. 2 out of 3 car whatever of the year was chevy's. It's true the Boss will probably stomp the ZL1. That's no biased either. I'm usually nice on this site but don't deny it. Now the GT500 and ZL1.. That's a different story...

JusticePete · 03-18-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

Guys their not biased. 2 out of 3 car whatever of the year was chevy's. It's true the Boss will probably stomp the ZL1. That's no biased either. I'm usually nice on this site but don't deny it. Now the GT500 and ZL1.. That's a different story...

Here is what we know

BOSS -- great engine, ordinary suspension, decent brakes, improved dif
ZL1 -- great engine, advanced suspension technology with major improvements over the SS, very good brakes, improved tranny, improved dif, improved half-shafts

I know both of these cars from the inside out. As Hot Rod said, through a blanket over them, they are an even match. For now we know what the BOSS is because it has been released. Only the insiders at GM KNOW what the ZL1 is. Arguing about which Ford is or will be better is a waste of time. At 500 RWHP the ZL1 is a loser? So at 600 RWHP it is the Holy Grail?

2011 5.0 · 03-18-2011, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Here is what we know

BOSS -- great engine, ordinary suspension, decent brakes, improved dif
ZL1 -- great engine, advanced suspension technology with major improvements over the SS, very good brakes, improved tranny, improved dif, improved half-shafts

I know both of these cars from the inside out. As Hot Rod said, through a blanket over them, they are an even match. For now we know what the BOSS is because it has been released. Only the insiders at GM KNOW what the ZL1 is. Arguing about which Ford is or will be better is a waste of time. At 500 RWHP the ZL1 is a loser? So at 600 RWHP it is the Holy Grail?

500hp has a chance at traction. 600hp then your just gonna have a smoke machine. The Boss has a better platform for track racing to let's not forget. That's why the GT is better then the SS on the track. The SS is completely capable of the same performance if it was on a Coupe platform.

*radz28* · 03-18-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

Guys their not biased. 2 out of 3 car whatever of the year was chevy's. It's true the Boss will probably stomp the ZL1. That's no biased either. I'm usually nice on this site but don't deny it. Now the GT500 and ZL1.. That's a different story...

The probability of these statements being true has the same probability as you being wrong. You know no more than anyone on this site about ZL1. DON'T DENY THAT...

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Here is what we know

BOSS -- great engine, ordinary suspension, decent brakes, improved dif
ZL1 -- great engine, advanced suspension technology with major improvements over the SS, very good brakes, improved tranny, improved dif, improved half-shafts

I know both of these cars from the inside out. As Hot Rod said, through a blanket over them, they are an even match. For now we know what the BOSS is because it has been released. Only the insiders at GM KNOW what the ZL1 is. Arguing about which Ford is or will be better is a waste of time. At 500 RWHP the ZL1 is a loser? So at 600 RWHP it is the Holy Grail?

No, Pete. ZL1 is always a loser by a Ford fanboy...

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Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

500hp has a chance at traction. 600hp then your just gonna have a smoke machine. The Boss has a better platform for track racing to let's not forget. That's why the GT is better then the SS on the track. The SS is completely capable of the same performance if it was on a Coupe platform.

So... all this hype about the next GT500 is meaningless? And it's not like the GT dominates SS on the track, as it seems you are suggesting. And SS is on a coupe platform. It comes from the G8, but is a new designation. The only think the Boss has in terms of a better platform is a weight advantage, which is offset by the fact it takes additional bracing to make up for it's lack of stiffness and rigidity.

I think you keep mistaking this site for a Ford site. Look at the banner on top.

truth411 · 03-18-2011, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

500hp has a chance at traction. 600hp then your just gonna have a smoke machine. The Boss has a better platform for track racing to let's not forget. That's why the GT is better then the SS on the track. The SS is completely capable of the same performance if it was on a Coupe platform.

The mustang does not "dominate" the SS at all on the track, thats a myth. The camaro has more grunt out of the corners and better brakes, The mustang has higher corner speed because of less wieght. For those who think the mag rag tests are the bible lol, the difference in lap times have always been less than a second. .1 difference according to Road and Track, but it all pretty silly to me since no one comes to the track stock.

*radz28* · 03-18-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by truth411

The mustang does not "dominate" the SS at all on the track, thats a myth. The camaro has more grunt out of the corners and better brakes, The mustang has higher corner speed because of less wieght. For those who think the mag rag tests are the bible lol, the difference in lap times have always been less than a second. .1 difference according to Road and Track, but it all pretty silly to me since no one comes to the track stock.

Fair point, lol. Who really does that, lol?

JerseyMonte · 03-18-2011, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 5.0

Guys their not biased. 2 out of 3 car whatever of the year was chevy's. It's true the Boss will probably stomp the ZL1. That's no biased either. I'm usually nice on this site but don't deny it. Now the GT500 and ZL1.. That's a different story...

Thats true I know they gave the Chevy truck
truck of the year, and the Volt if I remember correctly
was car of the year.
I meant to say biased towards the Camaro
We have to understand the Camaro took an 8 year hiatus
I am glad to see them back along with Dodge.
I think they are doing very well in the second year of production.
The ZL1 is a step in the right direction.
I'll wait until they compare the 2 and I will buy
that issue.

JWR046 · 03-29-2011, 10:18 AM

I have been following this stuff for a long time. This what I know from all the articles.

ZL1 is going to have a ton of updated tunes/improvements with help from the corvette engineering team which I would say is pretty proven.

The "lesser" camaros will eventually get some of the new updates to improve the car all around.

The LS3 is getting a 20+ HP bump or so in 2012 according to rumors which is probably pretty easy to do. I assume that the c6 will get a bump as well.

The car will not really have a lot of weight reduction until the next platform which will be alpha.

So.... the camaros will get more refined, more power, better handling, and updated interior.

The Mustang has been on the same platform for many years and have done some great refinements. The camaro is just starting to do them. There is only one way to find out how it will perform.... when it is on the streets. They will not fail.

I have driven tons of cars and prefer corvettes but they are two different cars. I can buy a corvette but I want something a little more unique and special. Hope this car is it.

I am pretty happy with the ZL1 and have committed to buy one as one of my friends own a dealership. Should be a pretty good upgrade from my 95 z28(summer car). Frankly I cannot wait!!!

LOWDOWN · 03-29-2011, 11:03 AM

The magazines have a job to do:

1) Sell Magazines, easily accomplished with "controversial" articles, and easily accomplished with Ford vs. Chev or Mustang vs. Camaro pieces...

2) and perhaps most important, Sell Advertising that more readers read...and more readers read articles/copies that get them "fired up"...ergo, "Ford vs. Chev" or "Mustang vs. Camaro"...preferably with covers adorned with RED cars...

The other issue (no pun intended) is the competitive "bar" keeps moving...the BOSS arrives, the ZL1 arrives, the ZL1 gets more power than the CTS-V, the GT 500 gets more power, the SS gets more power, the Alpha will be lighter than the Zeta...a neverending story, that changes day-by-day (engineering-wise) and month-by-month (magazine-wise).

And the Manufacturers AND the magazines (regardless of title) DO work hand-in-hand to see that our interest is continually piqued! That, my friends, is called Public Relations...

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