So what do I have to do to beat a 5.0

[wise]

A few questions for you 5.0 guys, all in reference to the 5.0...

-Stock for stock, or lightly modified/tuned: Which is faster, auto or manual(with an average driver)?

-If the auto is slower, is it by a large margin?

-Any weak points to the auto?

-Is the MT82 still having issues?


I've been talking to a dealership for a week now. Trying to locate a '12 5.0/Auto. They have a premium Kona Blue 5.0/M6, 3:31 sitting on the lot that I could probably get down to a good price, but being at the drag strip has got me wanting an auto bad...

[Deki]

Originally Posted by wise

A few questions for you 5.0 guys, all in reference to the 5.0...

-Stock for stock, or lightly modified/tuned: Which is faster, auto or manual(with an average driver)?

-If the auto is slower, is it by a large margin?

-Any weak points to the auto?

-Is the MT82 still having issues?


I've been talking to a dealership for a week now. Trying to locate a '12 5.0/Auto. They have a premium Kona Blue 5.0/M6, 3:31 sitting on the lot that I could probably get down to a good price, but being at the drag strip has got me wanting an auto bad...

From what I've seen, the auto is a bit faster in the 1/4, and hold the record for the fastest stock 5.0 right now.

I haven't heard about any weak points on the auto, except that the stock tune does not shift at redline, which also makes me question the fastest "stock" auto 5.0 being the fastest.

MT82 issues are few and far between. I, personally, had my pressure plate bolts back out at 900 miles, and 15,000 miles later, and about 20 passes at the track, it is still running like a champ. Only time will tell.

Now a question for you...you have a 12 Camaro SS, why the hell you looking at jumping into a 12 Mustang? Just wondering. If I was in your shoes, unless it was a second car, I definitely wouldn't do it.

[goodtime]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

your welcome i give credit when credit is do regardless of makes. i just like fast cars and what people have done to there own cars haha, but do you plan on staying n/a or are you gonna super or turbo it?

Roush supercharger later this year. I have one more N/A record to knock out and then the fun begins.

[goodtime]

Originally Posted by wise

A few questions for you 5.0 guys, all in reference to the 5.0...

-Stock for stock, or lightly modified/tuned: Which is faster, auto or manual(with an average driver)?

-If the auto is slower, is it by a large margin?

-Any weak points to the auto?

-Is the MT82 still having issues?


I've been talking to a dealership for a week now. Trying to locate a '12 5.0/Auto. They have a premium Kona Blue 5.0/M6, 3:31 sitting on the lot that I could probably get down to a good price, but being at the drag strip has got me wanting an auto bad...

Having owned both the M6 and A6 versions of the 5.0, the auto is faster in both stock and modified comparisons. Both stock calibrations have TQ limiters in them along with a low redline.

No real weak points for the auto. It is worth replacing the clutches in it if you are going to build an 8 sec. car but they have been very bullet-proof to date with stock internals. Once you get the right transmission calibration in the tune, they are just monsters. My only complaint is the very low first gear. 4.17. It limits you some on what rear gear to run in the car. Stock they are setup with a 3.15. I moved to a 3.31 so 1st was still useable and cross the traps at the top of 3rd.

On my manual trans car, I was running a 3.90 which is the optimal rear gear using a 28" tire. I never had any issues with my MT-82. It was very solid and withstood everything I could throw at it. My decision to move to the auto was mainly due to it's ability to run quicker/faster with fewer mods and less stress on the drivetrain.

Hope that helps.

[t-ray]

If you are on a quest for ET's, or you are just going to race a lot, then get the auto.

However, I'm a manual guy all the way. I love rowing my own gears, even in traffic. I've decided that I will never buy an auto as long as my back and knees allow me to drive a manual. Manuals are just too fun.

But an auto is definitely the better (non-road) racecar. That's just a fact.

[t-ray]

Originally Posted by Grabber

My buddies 07 GT with 4.10's, H-Pipe, Delete Plates, Intake and Tune with DR's cut 1.7 60fts and ran 12.6 @ 109-110 consistently.

Stock Suspension.

With LCA's, UCA's and enough power with a sticky tire, an S197 doesn't have an issue cutting 1.4-1.5 60fts. You don't need full blown drag racing suspension to launch that hard.

I never said you would nee a full suspension to achieve 1.4's and 1.5's. However, LCA's and UCA's are *definitely* suspension mods. Same thing goes for modifying bushings.

[NoWRX]

Originally Posted by wise

A few questions for you 5.0 guys, all in reference to the 5.0...

-Stock for stock, or lightly modified/tuned: Which is faster, auto or manual(with an average driver)?

With an average driver, I'd give the edge to the auto. With a proficient driver in an MT, I'd give a slight edge to the MT. Ultimately, it's a driver's race.

-If the auto is slower, is it by a large margin?

No, unlike the Camaro, the autos are the same mechnically as the MTs are, as far as the powertrain is concerned. Ford does neuter the autos with a weak 3.15 rear end for fuel economy purposes, but the 6R80(auto box) has the individual gear ratios in the box to make up for it. First gear in the auto is actually pretty short, it's quite easy to spin them over and get some wiggle.

-Any weak points to the auto?

To the box itself? No. But as Deki points out, the auto tune from the factory is definitely designed for fuel economy in mind and not performance. The car won't hit redline without an aftermarket tune, and these cars still have a lot on the top end left on the table.

Ford used the 6R80 in trucks and SUVs before the Mustang, so most of the teething issues have been eliminated at this point.

-Is the MT82 still having issues?

Define issues. I'm convinced many of the so called issues were driver created and not a problem with the transmission itself. That's not to say there aren't legit problems out there, but I don't think they're as common as some disaffected owners would have you believe.

(I've got a 5.0 auto btw, so if you have any more questions, feel free to PM me....)

[Thunderdome]

the fact of the matter is that while the mustangs will be faster stock for stock (for their weight), they will never, ever, EVER, be as reliable as the camaro. Chevrolet announced the 5th Gen years ago, Ford felt they had to rush to make sure their new 2011 could compete with it. Less R&D than was needed has left the Mustang unreliable for owners. I know this for a fact. My friend has always been able to beat out my 11 2SS with his 11 GT/CS and his car runs naturally too lean for its own mechanics. He lost cylinder number 8, as many other Mustang drivers have posted, and they replaced the entire half of his engine under warranty. The knock timing is bad, live axle, etc. are all points against the car.

The Mustang was always one of my favorite cars, but Ford's dropping the ball on their construction of their "masterpiece" turns me off to the brand. So go ahead, continue running better quarter miles...cause I would rather stick with the car that I can give to my son one day instead of junking, even if it can't beat a 5.0 Mustang.

[Deki]

^lol

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by goodtime

I have a N/A 2012 bolt-on Mustang that would give your FI Camaro a run for it's money.

Not surprised....my car is slow.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by goodtime

Right there. This was done in 1,400+' DA.


Not hitting the limiter on the 1-2 shift would have netted a 10.9x.

Correcting this down to SL, 10.829 @ 126.234 MPH.

Not sure what DA HufferSS was running in. I will try and locate his timeslip to calculate. Edit - his best time is: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...postcount=1232 No idea what the DA was as the date/time/location isn't provided.

Timeslip:

After seeing this....I changed my mind.....you are definitely faster than my junk.

[goodtime]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

After seeing this....I changed my mind.....you are definitely faster than me.



Definitely more than I can handle.

What was the DA at the time of your runs? If you arent sure, we can verify with the timeslips with date/time/location.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by goodtime

What was the DA at the time of your runs? If you arent sure, we can verify with the timeslips with date/time/location.

I dont remember.....those time slips are the old setup.....I put a 160 thermostat in it now....goes much better.

[NoWRX]

Originally Posted by Thunderdome

the fact of the matter is that while the mustangs will be faster stock for stock (for their weight), they will never, ever, EVER, be as reliable as the camaro. Chevrolet announced the 5th Gen years ago, Ford felt they had to rush to make sure their new 2011 could compete with it. Less R&D than was needed has left the Mustang unreliable for owners. I know this for a fact. My friend has always been able to beat out my 11 2SS with his 11 GT/CS and his car runs naturally too lean for its own mechanics. He lost cylinder number 8, as many other Mustang drivers have posted, and they replaced the entire half of his engine under warranty. The knock timing is bad, live axle, etc. are all points against the car.

The Mustang was always one of my favorite cars, but Ford's dropping the ball on their construction of their "masterpiece" turns me off to the brand. So go ahead, continue running better quarter miles...cause I would rather stick with the car that I can give to my son one day instead of junking, even if it can't beat a 5.0 Mustang.

Yeah, buddy, sure, whatever makes you sleep better at night.

My car has 24k hard miles on it and I haven't had a problem with it.

My personal experience > whatever you've read on the internet.