Gained 70 rwhp with meth

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

I talked to Ted and he said he could increase boost by max 5 psi of I wanted to rely on meth. How. One everyone is so scared to run on meth when they have fail safes that pull timing, boost and add fuel? Obviously a failsafe can fail but Ted told me I would also have my stock waste gate psi to fall back on. It is somewhat risky but I don't see why you can't use meth to increase psi. I need an explanation.

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You can use meth to increase psi....nobody is saying you cannot. Everyone is saying that you need to tread lightly and understand that the risk of failure rises dramatically with boost....especially on stock bottom end. I didn't read the whole thread so maybe you are forged...same advice applies.

It's like rolling the dice a little....and bear in mind that at least one of the posters who was giving you meth advice....has since blown his engine. If blowing your engine does not concern you then proceed but if it does then tread cautiously.

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

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You can use meth to increase psi....nobody is saying you cannot. Everyone is saying that you need to tread lightly and understand that the risk of failure rises dramatically with boost....especially on stock bottom end. I didn't read the whole thread so maybe you are forged...same advice applies.

It's like rolling the dice a little....and bear in mind that at least one of the posters who was giving you meth advice....has since blown his engine. If blowing your engine does not concern you then proceed but if it does then tread cautiously.

Well I am only 17 so I I have far from unlimited funds. I would rather be safe then sorry. So if I ran meth I would only gain mostly from the water injection lowering iats a bit. And if that failed nothing catostrophic would happen as the iat sensor would adjust to the now hot air and pull timing? I would like to have a solid 600 whp if possible but I realize this is hard not forging. I would love to add a cam and forge the bottom end but i am broke after buying the turbo kit and now all the injectors etc so Ted will tune. When do you need a forged crank? I don't want to go to far as I will have to dump more money into the drivetrain then. It never ends that's for sure.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

Well I am only 17 so I I have far from unlimited funds. I would rather be safe then sorry. So if I ran meth I would only gain mostly from the water injection lowering iats a bit. And if that failed nothing catostrophic would happen as the iat sensor would adjust to the now hot air and pull timing? I would like to have a solid 600 whp if possible but I realize this is hard not forging. I would love to add a cam and forge the bottom end but i am broke after buying the turbo kit and now all the injectors etc so Ted will tune. When do you need a forged crank? I don't want to go to far as I will have to dump more money into the drivetrain then. It never ends that's for sure.

600 should be a walk in the park...run 50/50 and set the tune up slightly rich if you want to play it safe. I ran 10lbs with my Whipple and Meth on a stock bottom end and pulled 670 to the wheel through an M6. I had a cam though....

Turbos are magic according to everyone so 600 should be easy without the CAM. You don't need a forged crank til power gets to the 1000 rwhp range in my opinion...the stocker is strong. Rods and pistons not so much.

[JLE58]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

600 should be a walk in the park...run 50/50 and set the tune up slightly rich if you want to play it safe. I ran 10lbs with my Whipple and Meth on a stock bottom end and pulled 670 to the wheel through an M6. I had a cam though....

Turbos are magic according to everyone so 600 should be easy without the CAM. You don't need a forged crank til power gets to the 1000 rwhp range in my opinion...the stocker is strong. Rods and pistons not so much.

I Agree turbos are Magic . If your not sure I just wouldnt run it do whatever you think is best. A turbo will be easier on a crank than a supercharger. Huffer is right on the crank the stock crank is a good strong piece. Be carefull with the car and have fun.

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by JLE58

I Agree turbos are Magic . If your not sure I just wouldnt run it do whatever you think is best. A turbo will be easier on a crank than a supercharger. Huffer is right on the crank the stock crank is a good strong piece. Be carefull with the car and have fun.

That's what I kind of thought, what do you guys reccomend for Rods and pistions. Stock specs just forged? I have a hard time finding info on internal hard parts.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

That's what I kind of thought, what do you guys reccomend for Rods and pistions. Stock specs just forged? I have a hard time finding info on internal hard parts.

Lets start with how much power are you looking to build? If you are staying under 700-800 then the stock rods are fine....many have taken even more power but that's where I would start to get nervous.

[JLE58]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Lets start with how much power are you looking to build? If you are staying under 700-800 then the stock rods are fine....many have taken even more power but that's where I would start to get nervous.

+1... yeah what's you plans.

[Whipped416]

stock rods good to 800 rwhp??? i wouldnt push it that far!

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by Whipped416

stock rods good to 800 rwhp??? i wouldnt push it that far!

Tons of guys have with not a single rod failure that I ever recall seeing on the forum. Not one broken rod.....I'd say they're good to go.

[JLE58]

I'd say 700-800 hp too. Most anybody that will go through the trouble to put pistons in a block will more than likely go ahead with rods. The week part of ls rods are usually the rod bolt.

[Whipped416]

well i havent done much research on this but i dont think i would want to take anything up to 800rwhp!!!

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Lets start with how much power are you looking to build? If you are staying under 700-800 then the stock rods are fine....many have taken even more power but that's where I would start to get nervous.

Good point, 700-800 crank hp is the absolute max!

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

Good point, 700-800 crank hp is the absolute max!

Crank? Run it till your stock engine dies...if it does....then rebuild a nice stock displacement forged piston motor.

[jordan 572]

The only thing holding me back then is octane right? I have supportive fuel upgrades. Basically I have to put my trust in meth?