Gained 70 rwhp with meth

[realcanuk]

You don't have to add boost or timing if you want to play it safe. You will still benefit power wise because the lowered iat temps will result in less pulled timing and hence, more power and consistency.

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

The point is to be safer because you are 17 and if you blow your engine chasing a power number then you are screwed. If you want max power then add meth and add boost....if you want safety then add meth and don't add boost.....if you trust your tuner then run it with no meth and keep it conservative.

It's that simple.

Okay, Since I only want 650 whp I will probably add a cam. Ted said this is very realistic without meth as he will be doing the tuning. If this is all the farther I am going should I add some forged rods and pistons or will I just waste money? I feel like since the cam is going in I should put these parts in? What does a decent set of forged rods and pistons cost? I forgot to mention all my labor is free I just pay for the parts. Thanks everyone for the help, Ted had to cut me off with the emails as he wants money to continue dealing with me. I can understand that, 50 emails with not a dollar in hand, you guys are all I have left for now although I learn more on here then through short emails. Thanks

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by realcanuk

You don't have to add boost or timing if you want to play it safe. You will still benefit power wise because the lowered iat temps will result in less pulled timing and hence, more power and consistency.

This is what I said earlier I should just put water in the tank then water and meth but ted came up with the analogy about pissing on the fire which I think I get but not totally.

[camslambam]

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.

Look at me and my mods. I have purchased every single item on my car practically from Ted and he has done all my tuning. I'm in central america so I have REALLY bad gas, but my motor is still running strong at 4k miles under HEAVY abuse and street racing.

Listen to what Ted says. I was a little hard headed with him at first but learned to value his opinion and take his word as if it is gold. The guy knows what he is doing. He has tons of experience and cars to prove it. If he tells you do X do X. Don't go by what people on an internet forum tell you.

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by camslambam

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.

Look at me and my mods. I have purchased every single item on my car practically from Ted and he has done all my tuning. I'm in central america so I have REALLY bad gas, but my motor is still running strong at 4k miles under HEAVY abuse and street racing.

Listen to what Ted says. I was a little hard headed with him at first but learned to value his opinion and take his word as if it is gold. The guy knows what he is doing. He has tons of experience and cars to prove it. If he tells you do X do X. Don't go by what people on an internet forum tell you.

That's ironic because I have been doing exactly what Ted says. When I asked him about meth he said dont use it just run race gas. He knows it's a daily driver. He says meth isn't practical but how come he told you to use it?

[camslambam]

I'm in Central America. Gas here is very bad... Like 88 octane bad. Race gas here costs $1,000 per barrel. I run liquor through my meth system. A 35/65 combination that costs $10 to fill up my tank. So it's very practical and cheap.

In the US you have race gas everywhere and costs just a bit more. So yes, I'd run race gas if you have availability and funding for it. Also meth systems tend to fail, thus why most tuners will tune you without meth. If the pump goes out you'll never know. There's a few fail safes like safeinjection which will pull timing if it detects your meth not flowing. Without safe injection or alky full kit I would never run meth for power.

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

That's ironic because I have been doing exactly what Ted says. When I asked him about meth he said dont use it just run race gas. He knows it's a daily driver. He says meth isn't practical but how come he told you to use it?

Probably after the 30th email of you asking the same thing in a different way and ignoring what you are told...he just decided to screw with you.

[JLE58]

I just spit my drink all over my computer!!!

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Probably after the 30th email of you asking the same thing in a different way and ignoring what you are told...he just decided to screw with you.

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Probably after the 30th email of you asking the same thing in a different way and ignoring what you are told...he just decided to screw with you.

I am just confused on how meth is beneficial when you make the tune safe if meth fails. Like you said you can make a "safe" tune by tuning for 93 octane but running meth. I get this would help lower iat and help increase timing because of the denser air due to the water in the meth/water mix. This is where I don't understand, what good is injecting meth? All it would do is raise octane to lets just say 100, the car is only tuned and boosted to 93 octane what is the point on running the high octane on a pump gas tune? The psi would need to be increased to utilize the 100 octane to its full potential right? Idc if I get ripped on I can take it as long as I understand. Thank you again

[HufferSS]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

I am just confused on how meth is beneficial when you make the tune safe if meth fails. Like you said you can make a "safe" tune by tuning for 93 octane but running meth. I get this would help lower iat and help increase timing because of the denser air due to the water in the meth/water mix. This is where I don't understand, what good is injecting meth? All it would do is raise octane to lets just say 100, the car is only tuned and boosted to 93 octane what is the point on running the high octane on a pump gas tune? The psi would need to be increased to utilize the 100 octane to its full potential right? Idc if I get ripped on I can take it as long as I understand. Thank you again

Is it groundhog day?


I am going to take one more stab..and then it costs you money from that point on. Pump gas varies in quality......dramatically sometimes. So on any given day you can get some gas that isn't up to par and your 93 tune is suddenly knocking...or maybe it's 100 degrees out one day etc....the meth give you a safety factor. It's like extra protection.....no you don't NEED it...but the benefit is that instead of running on the edge of what pump gas can do...the meth gives you extra octane and extra knock protection which is safer for cast pistons.

[camslambam]

Originally Posted by jordan 572

I am just confused on how meth is beneficial when you make the tune safe if meth fails. Like you said you can make a "safe" tune by tuning for 93 octane but running meth. I get this would help lower iat and help increase timing because of the denser air due to the water in the meth/water mix. This is where I don't understand, what good is injecting meth? All it would do is raise octane to lets just say 100, the car is only tuned and boosted to 93 octane what is the point on running the high octane on a pump gas tune? The psi would need to be increased to utilize the 100 octane to its full potential right? Idc if I get ripped on I can take it as long as I understand. Thank you again

It's like having sex with a girl on birth control.
You can use a condom for extra protection against pregnancy.

Although birth control is pretty safe there's still a chance it fails. A condom is 100 proof as long as it doesn't break.

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by camslambam

It's like having sex with a girl on birth control.
You can use a condom for extra protection against pregnancy.

Although birth control is pretty safe there's still a chance it fails. A condom is 100 proof as long as it doesn't break.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

Is it groundhog day?


I am going to take one more stab..and then it costs you money from that point on. Pump gas varies in quality......dramatically sometimes. So on any given day you can get some gas that isn't up to par and your 93 tune is suddenly knocking...or maybe it's 100 degrees out one day etc....the meth give you a safety factor. It's like extra protection.....no you don't NEED it...but the benefit is that instead of running on the edge of what pump gas can do...the meth gives you extra octane and extra knock protection which is safer for cast pistons.

Wait.....what? So meth is like 200 octane? I need that when it's 100 degrees outside. Huh? I don't get it. Why do you want to stab me and then take my money? So..... I should use meth????