Inside Line: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison

[2cnd chance]

Maybe the best thing to do is drive both for ones self before buying. Novel idea...I shall call it a "test drive".

Of course getting the "test drive" might be difficult. Dang dealers.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by hognutz

the grand sport has superior tire and and it also has the mag ride. It is down on power but up on handling in some ways over the older Z06.

I don't know if same day the grand sport would really be faster than my generation Z06 on a track but it could be closer than you think. In a drag race I would get killed but around a track they could be close.

the same way a novice driver could drive a boss faster. the only tests I have seen the GT500 lap faster than the Boss were same day but also proffesionally driven.

I fully agree though the same day tests are the best guage. then again people don't like the results.

the same day skid pad number from the ZL-1 to GT500 were a landslide victory for the ZL1 yet everone wants to say they mean nothing. yet there were almost identical difffernt day to differnt day so all the ford people were like see the GT500 has the same road holding.

kind of ironic from my perspective. when the first test was run the skid pad number validated the GT500. then when they did head to head same day they somehow don't matter anymore.

I was under the impression that the grand sport and z06 both ran Eagle F1 Supercars on the iterations in question.

I don't think anyone said they mean nothing, but maybe I missed it. The issue that keeps the argument going in circles is you have some people that are literally calling the skidpad and slalom a road course and you have others that act like handling doesn't matter at all. Of course skidpad numbers matter, but higher skidpad numbers don't mean the car is definitively faster on a road course by any means, especially when the cars in question have a huge hp and weight deficit and braking is close, slightly in favor of the worse handling car. I'm going to break it down one last time before I stop posting in this thread because it's really becoming a bother to say the same things over and over again.

Car A holds a hefty advantage in handling, but car B is a great handler itself.
Car B holds a hefty advantage in acceleration, but car A is no slouch.
Car A and B both stop phenomenally with a slight advantage to Car B.

Which one wins on a road course? If you think you can accurately answer that question based on the information we have, you are delusional. That's all I'm saying. The zl1 definitely handles better and the gt500 definitely accelerates faster, but both cars do the others profession at a very high level. None of this adds up to a clear winner on a given road course and in fact it seems more often than not, track choice will play a huge factor.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Probably a much larger fine and possible jail time for the latter.

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Lol many more mountians roads than that around here .... I may get a fine but I won't have my car taken away for drag racing....

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Around here the law can take your car and crush it if you are caught racing another vehicle, whether drag racing or street racing as in fast and furious. But if you are alone more than likely you will just be fined for speeding.

You're missing my point. Both are equally illegal. Just because one might carry a stiffer penalty than the other doesn't change that fact.

And I don't need to be schooled about east TN, I spent a lot of my formative years in that area of that state. Still one of my favorite place to visit.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

[NOT that this has EVER been typed before] They're worth about as much as any TWO BOSS anythings...

And at least eight Gen5 ZL1's. And they are worth 17 times less than a Shelby Daytona coupe!

Isn't it fun throwing around numbers regarding rare cars!

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I don't think anyone said they mean nothing, but maybe I missed it. The issue that keeps the argument going in circles is you have some people that are literally calling the skidpad and slalom a road course and you have others that act like handling doesn't matter at all. Of course skidpad numbers matter, but higher skidpad numbers don't mean the car is definitively faster on a road course by any means, especially when the cars in question have a huge hp and weight deficit and braking is close, slightly in favor of the worse handling car. I'm going to break it down one last time before I stop posting in this thread because it's really becoming a bother to say the same things over and over again.

Car A holds a hefty advantage in handling, but car B is a great handler itself.
Car B holds a hefty advantage in acceleration, but car A is no slouch.
Car A and B both stop phenomenally with a slight advantage to Car B.

Which one wins on a road course? If you think you can accurately answer that question based on the information we have, you are delusional. That's all I'm saying. The zl1 definitely handles better and the gt500 definitely accelerates faster, but both cars do the others profession at a very high level. None of this adds up to a clear winner on a given road course

I aggree with you. I just think it is funny how the same people who try one day then flip there argument the next. rather than just wait for the test.

I despise the magazine race thing but sometimes it is all people have and on the interent they will run with it.

I have been guilty of it myself. I in my head when I saw the same day head to head ZL1 vs Boss 302. made the conclusion that the ZL1 faster than the 2012 GT500 because the same day boss 302 vs 2012 gt500 were within .5 seconds.

ha ha. as stupid as I know that is that is what my mind came up with. why because nobody will run the 2012 ZL1 vs 2012 GT500 for some reason.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Can you look at a chevy emblem without popping wood?

No, inanimate objects, like Ford Ovals, would be YOUR domain...and I'm hopin' you're happy together...

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

A) Your contribution is about as valuable as your English is comprehensible. Funny you decided not to comment on the Grand Sport being faster than the z06. Very telling.
B) Even more interesting you would bring up 1/4 mile and insideline's zl1 vs gt500 comparison, as if that has anything to do with the boss and gt500.

A) TIRES...those black round thingies that connect a vehicle to the pavement...TIRES would be your rightful answer.

B) ...which is the actual topic of this thread...speaking of incomprehensible... I've merely brought your meanderings back on topic, like the good lil forum friend I am.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by tooslow

You're missing my point. Both are equally illegal. Just because one might carry a stiffer penalty than the other doesn't change that fact.

And I don't need to be schooled about east TN, I spent a lot of my formative years in that area of that state. Still one of my favorite place to visit.

No, they are NOT equally illegal. Hence the stiffer penalty. However YES they are both wrong.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

No, inanimate objects, like Ford Ovals, would be YOUR domain...and I'm hopin' you're happy together...



A) TIRES...those black round thingies that connect a vehicle to the pavement...TIRES would be your rightful answer.

B) ...which is the actual topic of this thread...speaking of incomprehensible... I've merely brought your meanderings back on topic, like the good lil forum friend I am.

Tell me, which one of these tires is better?

2006 z06

Eagle F1 Supercar runflat

275/35ZR18
325/30ZR19

2010 Grand Sport

Eagle F1 Supercar runflat

275/35ZR18
325/30ZR19

The G2 f1 supercar didn't come out until the 2011 z06

[Deki]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Tell me, which one of these tires is better?

2006 z06

Eagle F1 Supercar runflat

275/35ZR18
325/30ZR19

2010 Grand Sport

Eagle F1 Supercar runflat

275/35ZR18
325/30ZR19

Dude, don't argue with him. Here is their own coolaid quote that best describes LOWDOWN's attitude towards everything he tries to argue.

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

LD, don't you know that if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

Ironically, it was also by the other guy that believes his own hype.

[69NMYSS]

Originally Posted by Deki

4/10ths is huge to 60. And looking at the fact that it's on smaller tires it's even more impressive.

Not for the added specs of the GT500. The post I replied too, the person said they were disappointed with the ZL1, I would be more disappointed with the GT500 if I was a Ford fan considering it took 100hp more, 250lbs less, and $7k more to go 4/10ths faster 0-60 and still dosent handle as well. Doesn’t take much in mods to get 4/10ths 0-60 or 1/2 sec 1320ft. Couple grand would easily do it for the LSA, now you have a quicker car, AND better handling (not to mention better looking) and still cost less.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by tooslow

And at least 15 Gen5 ZL1's. And they are worth 8 times less than a Shelby Daytona coupe!

Isn't it fun throwing around numbers regarding rare cars!

...or how many Shelby Charger Daytonas? Or Shelby Convertible Dakotas? Or...

$800K was the record, DUDE.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

Not for the added specs of the GT500. The post I replied too, the person said they were disappointed with the ZL1, I would be more disappointed with the GT500 if I was a Ford fan considering it took 100hp more, 250lbs less, and $7k more to go 4/10ths faster 0-60 and still dosent handle as well. Doesn’t take much in mods to get 4/10ths 0-60 or 1/2 sec 1320ft. Couple grand would easily do it for the LSA, now you have a quicker car, AND better handling (not to mention better looking) and still cost less.

And it doesn't take much to get the GT500 to outhandle the ZL1 either, because they are really not that far apart. You're a set of R compound tires away from that. See how simple that argument is? And now we're going back to the better looking? It's SS vs 5.0 all over again. And that $7k has nothing to do with 0-60.

[Steve Dallas]

You know what I'd really love to see?

Head to head, same day racing between the two cars at 5 different tracks. I chose these tracks, because technically the GT500 could actually be faster at some of them. Maybe only at a track like Daytona or Talladega would the GT500 really be able to have a chance?

Bristol
VIR
Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Watkins Glen
Nurburgring

It doesn't have to be these specific tracks, but I'd love to see if and at what point the Mustang might actually be able to match times with the ZL1. Indianapolis -might- be the only track where that's possible (in the tracks I listed).

Whatcha all think?

[Deki]

You know what I would like to see? What the excuses are going to be when the GT500 beats the ZL1 on any track they are tested head to head on.