Ed Peper confirms New Camaro engine to have 400+ HP V8 w. AFM and 300+ HP V6

[smokn']

well put blur. i too feel it would be a crying shame to see the camaro more powerful than the vette. it's just not right. the camaro is a pony car. now don't get me wrong, as long as it's cheap enough, i don't care if they put 2000 hp in the camaro. just make sure the vette has 2001 hp. lol

[The_Stache]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

1. who said its under 30k? i know its going to be close to the mustang but we have no prices and no REAL info.

ok let me clear myself up. 2. i am not one to keep a car stock and i try to get every bit of power out of my cars. my last 99 trans am had 450hp AT THE WHEELS. much different than 400 at the crank. the crank was easily putting over 500hp. 3. my dads 05 vette doesnt even really impress me that much. 4. i just feel that,for all this displacement,that we should be getting better numbers out of the cars. granted other mfg's are worse than gm (whats the viper a 8.0 v10 putting out ONLY500hp?) the zr1 is where its at and im glad chevy really got that car right. they need to pass on some power to the camaro. forget the old days and being scared of the camaro beating the vette. just do what feels GOOD!

1. Scott has said multiple times that the camaro will sell at the mustangs price point. I give about a 10% margin of error for this, also including that the mustang will probably jump in price by about 1g for the 30-50ish HP boost its gonna get in the 2009 model year.

2. I would like to see the dyno of your transam that had 450hp from the factory... oh thats right ITS MODDED. I don't give a crap about mods. If your just after HP at the wheels per $. GO BUY A USED 2005 Mustang and drop a 3.4L custom whipple on it and be at around 30k for well over 600rwhp.

3. If your dissappointed with a vette.. serious dude. Your not going to get better than that for HP/$ from a MFG. Live with it, this car is to be sold to the masses, and the masses dont want HUGE HP at the wheels, only enthusiasts do.

4. Please show me another manufacture that gets more HP/Liter than GM in a consumer sports car and where in the power band it makes that....

In the end your asking for a race car from the factory, and for that your going to have to pay big bucks, why don't you go look into a saleen s7 or a koenigsegg. Your not going to find something like that for consumer car prices.


Edit - Who said it wasnt the LS3? Even scott said that the management sometimes gets the displacements mixed up becuase they usualy use cid instead of liters as a reference... GoGoGo the panic sky is falling syndrome.

[Jeff]

Okay now.. The 400HP+ news doesn't surprise me because we already knew that honestly.. What gets me is the 6.0 Liter. We have the LS2 and the L76. LS2 is automatically tossed for obvious reasons. Now were thinking about getting the horses out of the L76.... What if theres a whole new block GM is building for the V8 version of the Camaro.. Just a what if. I kind of doubt that though.....

[Mr. Wyndham]

LOTS of quoting here...

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

you know what 400 hp isnt that much power actually. this is the power at the crank. the power at the wheels is much less. well be lucky to get 375. granted its a step up from the 2002 camaro with 330hp, but 400 hp really isnt that much.

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

You know, I keep reading that "400HP isn't all that much"... and I think to myself... What cars can I get brand new production for under 30k that have 400HP at the crank...

My thoughts EXACTLY!!!

Originally Posted by The_Blur

You guys should all take note of this. He's right on the money.

I don't care WHO you are. Things must be put into perspective: 400hp is A LOT of power!!

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

or in other words.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall
Torque is how far you take the wall with you.

hrm, hrm...MINIVAN!!!

Originally Posted by Jeff

Okay now.. The 400HP+ news doesn't surprise me because we already knew that honestly.. What gets me is the 6.0 Liter. We have the LS2 and the L76. LS2 is automatically tossed for obvious reasons. Now were thinking about getting the horses out of the L76.... What if theres a whole new block GM is building for the V8 version of the Camaro.. Just a what if. I kind of doubt that though.....

On the point of:

LS2 being tossed - Correct.

A new block - The LS3, and (my memory fails me, it's a truck engine) represented the last major deviations/editions to the GenIV engine lineup. I don't think that the LSA/LS9 count in statement.

So...I definitely think that we're not going to get ANY engine as we know it right now. (i.e. We'll get some variation, much like the LS3 in the G8).

But Peper could have confused the displacement. (as per Scott's post)

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by swazworth

i question some of the things his says on here but....Captain did say LS3, and the Fbody threaten to send to his house :paddle


makes me say


i have to say that i think the father is wrong on this one, well wrong might be the wrong word. i think he is just being pc and not just coming out and saying what he really wants to say...... so i will

"This is going to be the badest mother F'ing car to come out in the new school pony wars. Nothing will even come close. Think about it people, we are saying 400hp for the base model V8. the new F%#d limited addtion "Bullitt" has only 315hp, thats a collectors cars. shut up about the headlights, the gas cap, and the rest of the meaning less things, 400hp base. priced at or near the same price as a "pink pony" which might just stop selling cars right now. we want to be and will be the biggest dogs on the block. when you pull up to a new pony car of any of the other makers, we want the driver to slide down in his/her seat and not look at you in the eye. because they are scared, they are so scared that they don't even look over to see your driving a V6, that might just give them a chance off the line. the camaro is going to chew up and spit eveything else out. when you drive this car off the lot people will stop and pull over so you can drive by them, because they are so scared of the animal that is under your hood. the pure american muscle car is back. it back and here to stay. 400hp is only the start. keep the faith"

i don't know the father at all but if i was him that is what i would want to say. but a man in his possition can't, but i can.

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[COPO_Chevy]

Originally Posted by stovt001

Why shouldn't the G8 get a bigger engine? It is a full size sedan, so it needs more power for the weight. The Camaro is going to be a relatively small coupe. Unlike the Challenger, it will not be a land yacht. Plus Pontiac is the excitement division. So why not give them more power? And who's to say the G8 will have more power or bigger and better engines? It has a 3.6L V6 making 250+ hp, a 6.0L V8 making 362, and a 6.2L V8 making 400 hp. We now know the Camaro will be getting a 300 hp V6 (better than the G8) and some V8 making 400 hp. We don't know if there will be another V8 above or below that, but right now you know you have two Camaros, one making more power than the base G8 and one matching the power of the top G8. Given that the Camaro is much smaller, I hardly see how you can complain, even if they G8 gets a "bigger" engine.

+1 to that my thoughts exactly..

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

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I love it!

[Splicerguy]

Here's my $.02

WOW!!! 400 HP ROCKS--no matter which engine produces it. I'm guessing about 420 HP. It stands to reason the Corvette will get a HP bump, which will leave room to give the Camaro more than the G8 GXP, but keep it under the Corvette. As long as it has 8 cylinders and a gas pedal, I'm Happy.

After seeing the new Malibu, G8, and G8 GXP, I have absolutely NO doubt that the new Camaro will be a Knockout. My '99 Z-28 had 305 HP, the BASE new one will have about the same. What a difference 10 years makes!

[2010_5thgen]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

Why bother following tradition if we're going to forget about the old days? Let's make the Camaro a 4x4 SUV and drop a 2.2 ECOTEC in the Corvette.

I'm sorry. I just think that the Corvette needs to be faster because it is Chevy's flagship. If we're going to have symbols around, we need them to mean something. We can't have Chevrolet's second tier muscle car passing the Corvette on the right. The Corvette is there for a reason. Besides, most of the car we buy as enthusiasts is the engine. The Corvette has a special place in Chevy's lineup, so it needs the top horsepower rating out of the factory. I promise you that the Camaro will be both underrated and easy to improve on the dyno. I expect a couple of companies to quickly release tuning that will get us another 15-25 horses out of whatever detuned motor we get. Plus, Magnaflow and Flowmaster will immediately release complete exhausts, K&N and AEM will hand us CAIs quickly, and we'll all be dying to see all the other stuff that comes out over time. I want 500 hp, too, but I refuse to pay for it out of the factory. The way GM is going to sell this Camaro in the 100,000 range is by beating the competition and fitting the competition's budget. If they beat the competition by 100 hp, they'll lose the budget part of the equation.

well they sure do have a 4 door seda nipping at the vettes bumper. im talking about the cts v. why can this be so bad ass and the camaro can't???

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

well they sure do have a 4 door seda nipping at the vettes bumper. im talking about the cts v. why can this be so bad ass and the camaro can't???

Who says it won't?

"Have Faith", my friend.

[2010_5thgen]

well, baiscally chevy doesnt want the camaro to top the vette in power. and i dont doubt the camaro will have a bad ass motor in it but why not make one as equal as the vette. sales will skyrocket. maybe take some from the vette, maybe take some from somewhere else but it wont hurt. camaro sales will be rediculous.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

well, baiscally chevy doesnt want the camaro to top the vette in power.

Says who? 'Cause in an interview with Ed Peper (General Manager of Chevy -j/k-)...he said the exact opposite.
Something to the effect of: "There is no concern with stepping on the Vette. They are two distinctly different cars. etc, etc."

EDIT: Here is it, http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/11/d...with-ed-peper/

Autoblog: Is there concern about stepping on the Corvette, power-wise?

Ed Peper: No. Because again, the capabilities of a Corvette are world class. I mean, we are talking about a vehicle that competes in the American Le Mans Series with Aston Martins and all –no, there is no concern because what the Camaro is going to be is what it has always been, which is a really great looking vehicle that will have a muscle car or muscle car set of derivatives with it, but that will also have a fuel efficient version. It's a vehicle that you really, really can drive every single day -- a four seater and so forth, while Corvette is in a class all by itself. It's one of our ultimate brands at the company that just continues to do well. We try to keep the production, you know, in line and not build too many so it keeps a very strong demand. The Z06s are some of the fastest turning vehicles that we have.

The dealers just can't get enough of them and, you know, we intentionally in some ways want to keep it that way because we want to make them very, very tight and hard to get and that is what builds a really strong brand.

[The_Stache]

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen

well, baiscally chevy doesnt want the camaro to top the vette in power. and i dont doubt the camaro will have a bad ass motor in it but why not make one as equal as the vette. sales will skyrocket. maybe take some from the vette, maybe take some from somewhere else but it wont hurt. camaro sales will be rediculous.

Price point sir... your BASE V8 WILL NEVER be equal with the vette because its 10+ grand cheaper. The LIMITED edition gt500 fighter might get close or even surpass the base vette but it will do it at the SAME price point of 40+kish.

Tired of arguing the same thing with you. I'm more than pleasantly surprised that the base V8 will have 400+ HP.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Says who? 'Cause in an interview with Ed Peper (General Manager of Chevy -j/k-)...he said the exact opposite.
Something to the effect of: "There is no concern with stepping on the Vette. They are two distinctly different cars. etc, etc."

EDIT: Here is it, http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/11/d...with-ed-peper/

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