Camaro Z28 rumors dampened by Bob Lutz, G8 will (update: NOT) survive

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Mohrg Beast

Blasphemer!!!!!! 4 cyl. camro = dead camaros. ill say it again..if they make a 4cyl. camaro ill sell my v6 and just f*ing walk. I mean a 6 is already a bit low but come on a 4cyl muscle car..i mean a shell of a muscle car with a go cart engine pushing it??? bull sheet.

This is the typical overreaction that will keep heritage cars like this one from progressing into the future: It's dangerous to get bogged down in tradition. There's nothing wrong with a 4 cylinder engine so long as it performs well. (note the bold and underline, because I mean it --- if it sucks, then it sucks). Hell, I'll bet if nobody told you before you drove it...you just might have confused the V6 Camaro for a low-end V8....just maybe.

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by One Mean Chevy

I knew Bob could NOT stay retried. As for the Z28 time will tell. If So, I see Stage Packages in the Camaro SS future like the Cobalt SS.

Oh Sure, I comes from the factory with 426hp. Add Stage I package and you get 480hp, Add Stage II Package and you get 520hp. Can you say LoopHole.

That's what I'm thinking. There are so many ways we can get higher output Camaros without wrecking GM's chances of making CAFE. I'd love to see a healthy set of GMPP, factory approved, warranty protecting performance options. There is already a decent start with the CAI and exhaust.

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

This is the typical overreaction that will keep heritage cars like this one from progressing into the future: It's dangerous to get bogged down in tradition. There's nothing wrong with a 4 cylinder engine so long as it performs well. (note the bold and underline, because I mean it --- if it sucks, then it sucks). Hell, I'll bet if nobody told you before you drove it...you just might have confused the V6 Camaro for a low-end V8....just maybe.

Quoted for Truth.

[SSCamaroZ28]

I don't get why people are putting so much into this. He said nothing about a Z28 or any other high powered V8 car. All he said was that maybe more vast lower powered engines will be available in years to come. This doesn't mean the higher up engines are getting replaced with them.

Besides, I'd bet V8 sales in the Camaro are going to account for alot of it's total sales, and that, what people are spending their cash on, cannot be ignored, especially by a company in their situation.

[delius]

didnt lutz kill the camaro in the beginning? or atleast kill my dream of a firebird come back.


Me no likey Lutz...you could put in any other guy into that position that would have recognized the market for a new camaro.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by nards444

If you havent caught the news, the GT isnt selling at all. SAD but gm is making the right choice. If they sold a 45-50k car there would be very few takers.

Reality is 45~50K puts you in a vette... who is going to pounce on a Camaro in that price range when the C6 walks all over it for the same money? 2 people... that's my guess anyways. haha.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

This is the typical overreaction that will keep heritage cars like this one from progressing into the future: It's dangerous to get bogged down in tradition. There's nothing wrong with a 4 cylinder engine so long as it performs well. (note the bold and underline, because I mean it --- if it sucks, then it sucks). Hell, I'll bet if nobody told you before you drove it...you just might have confused the V6 Camaro for a low-end V8....just maybe.

It's the 'sounding good' part that the 4cylinder is going to struggle with. Your right if the power delivery matches up no one is going to know the difference... but I really doubt with this much weight a turbo 4 would move it well, get good gas mileage, and make all the right noises to make me think I WASN'T driving something offered from Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc.

[dstairs]

Some are scoffing at the V6 and it is a powerful and fast car. 304 hp and 140mph with no mods is not a girlie car. I will be purchasing just such a beast myself. If the 4 comes in with some stunning results I would even consider it. Let's wait and see what the genius minds do with weight issues, I am guessing these car geeks will sort out the issues and come back with a unbelievable machine.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by delius

didnt lutz kill the camaro in the beginning? or atleast kill my dream of a firebird come back.

No. He had nothing to do with the Camaro's hiatus. His "reign" was just after that decision was made. As for the Firebird...there were many factions who weren't sure of the Camaro's sales abilities, not to mention a new policy to reduce overlap and badge engineering wherever possible. As sad as it might be, it was a sound business decision...as we now see Pontiac is going to die.

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

It's the 'sounding good' part that the 4cylinder is going to struggle with. Your right if the power delivery matches up no one is going to know the difference... but I really doubt with this much weight a turbo 4 would move it well, get good gas mileage, and make all the right noises to make me think I WASN'T driving something offered from Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc.

Challenges to overcome...

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Challenges to overcome...

haha.... well... if they pull it off my hat is off to them. Wait and see I guess.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by dstairs

Some are scoffing at the V6 and it is a powerful and fast car. 304 hp and 140mph with no mods is not a girlie car.

That depends a lot on perspective... on paper 304hp and 140mph sound great. Neither specs 15 years ago would have been bad at all... today those specs make it hardly fast nor powerful in the grand scheme of things.

A honda S2000 is faster and is only packing 237hp... there is a lot more to performance than just horsepower ratings.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

Reality is 45~50K puts you in a vette... who is going to pounce on a Camaro in that price range when the C6 walks all over it for the same money? 2 people... that's my guess anyways. haha.

I would/will without even thinking about it. Camaro just fits me better. I won't argue the 'Vette performs better in every catagory, however, I'm just not a 'Vette guy. I love 'em, but wouldn't add one to my garage before I had me the Camaro I want

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

It's the 'sounding good' part that the 4cylinder is going to struggle with. Your right if the power delivery matches up no one is going to know the difference... but I really doubt with this much weight a turbo 4 would move it well, get good gas mileage, and make all the right noises to make me think I WASN'T driving something offered from Toyota, Mitsubishi, etc.

I think there's a reason there isn't a turbo-4 for the "base" car now. It needs torque. This V6 is a GREAT engine but I need the sound of a big V8. Sure, if I never heard a big V8, I wouldn't know any better, but it's too late for that I think the writing's on the wall, but will still hold onto some hope for the next few years. If things don't happen by then, then I'll just go back to the drawing board.

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

haha.... well... if they pull it off my hat is off to them. Wait and see I guess.

It's going to get interesting; among other things

[2cnd chance]

I'm not sure what I'm thinking...but without a massive-output V8...I wonder if the SS and Z28 nameplates might switch "back"...with SS being the high-powered straight line car, and the Z28 being a moderately-powered track car, and the base Camaro being a "low" powered (I still maintain the current V6 is NOT low-powered) everyday car. This is pure speculation, and absolutely baseless...I'm just wondering.[/QUOTE]

The Z28 is was and should be above all a "Track" car it's why it came into existance. Think low and flat cornering (1.0 G) with strong brakes (100' 60-0). Along with this should be a strong engine, but a DI V6 with twin turbos pushing over 400 HP would be awesome!

I will buy this kind of performance. If you want more build it.

[Super83Z]

What doesn't make sense is that he confirms a CTS-v coupe, which is what the Z28 would have been pretty close to. Yet dampens the idea of the Z28. Why build one and not the other? There is an outcry for a Z28, a CTS-v coupe on the other hand is not being begged for.