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Cessna510 · 08-12-2008, 05:51 AM

Ok so I was day dreaming about the camaro today when something struck me. Didn't the GTO have IRS? wasn't the GTO also a little heavy, isn't bumblebee a GTO? What are the advantages to the new zeta platform? I mean Gm could have stuck the ls3 and camaro body on a GTO chassis and achieved around the same performance numbers right? Please correct me if i'm very misinformed

kevin2323 · 08-12-2008, 06:00 AM

your right well just have to see what slight aerodynamics and zeta improve. It did improve the challengers performance by.1-.2 0--60

*The_Blur* · 08-12-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin2323

your right well just have to see what slight aerodynamics and zeta improve. It did improve the challengers performance by.1-.2 0--60

We've already been told that aerodynamics for the Camaro are not exactly superior. Fbodfather noted that the recessed headlights, flat front end, and retro design look slick, but the wind tunnel showed otherwise. The Camaro won't be quite that aerodynamic due to the grill setup.

The GTO will have been more aerodynamic, but the Camaro should outperform it.

What type of suspension did the GTO have? I'm too lazy to look right now since I just got up and have to go to work.

kevin2323 · 08-12-2008, 07:41 AM

yep it did have IRS. I hope the Zeta platform helps alot, if not I see it running not much better than the gto. That would make dodge owners happy

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garfin · 08-12-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cessna510

Ok so I was day dreaming about the camaro today when something struck me. Didn't the GTO have IRS? wasn't the GTO also a little heavy, isn't bumblebee a GTO? What are the advantages to the new zeta platform? I mean Gm could have stuck the ls3 and camaro body on a GTO chassis and achieved around the same performance numbers right? Please correct me if i'm very misinformed

Not quite that simple. The GTO was based on the Holden Monaro, whose platform was almost 10 years old when the GTO was introduced to North America. The GTO was basically the final iteration on that platform.
Yup, the old Monaro/GTO had IRS, but compared to the new Zeta-based platform which is the basis of the new Commodore VE (first application of GM's global Zeta-based architecture), and of course, the Camaro, "the new platform is less raw, being much more refined, stable and sophisticated." Simply put, it is a much better handling platform than the one itis replacing.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car..._news/(page)/1
The other important factor is that the new Zeta architecture, is designed to be much more flexible than the old Monaro-based platform. Things like wheelbase, cowl height, track etc. can be altered at minimal cost, as opposed to the older platform that did not have that flexibility built-in.

Best regardSS,

Elie

Holden_Monaro · 08-12-2008, 09:15 AM

the GTO was based on Holden's pre-zeta V-car architecture.. there are a lot of reasons why the zeta architecture is better.

I don't know all the reasons, but I do know the difference between the way a GTO feels when you drive it and a zeta (Pontiac G8) feels when you drive it...

As awesome as the GTO was (and still is), the new zeta architecture blows the old V-car architecture away.. Its all about the handling and feel - zeta is..well.. BMW-like in its road feel - you'll know what i mean if you take a G8 or Camaro for a good hard drive.

JEFF2010SSMANUAL · 08-12-2008, 09:27 AM

So the new Camaro SS should feel/handle like a BMW??? Even though the SS manual will weigh 3860#. The M3 sedan weighs 3800# so it should handle close to it correct??? Many BMW fans don't think so.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-12-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JEFF2010SSMANUAL

Many BMW fans don't think so.

Denial...

*GTAHVIT* · 08-12-2008, 11:10 AM

My guess is yes, it should. We'll see what the official Ring times show. The initial practice times show it to be on par.

Check this tread out. Might be relevant.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5351

Captain Awesome · 08-12-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JEFF2010SSMANUAL

So the new Camaro SS should feel/handle like a BMW??? Even though the SS manual will weigh 3860#. The M3 sedan weighs 3800# so it should handle close to it correct??? Many BMW fans don't think so.

Give me a freakin' break. They're saying a 60 pounds difference will make their car so much better????

Get real. A gallon of gasoline weighs 6.5 pounds, so every time they fill up they add a lot more than 60 pounds to their car. If that's their logic then just race them in a Camaro with 1/4 tank of fuel when they pull out of a gas station with a full tank!

spd98 · 08-12-2008, 01:20 PM

The GTO and Camaro suspension wise have almost NOTHING in common. The GTO was more of a trailing link type setup while zeta is a 5 link setup. The zeta setup will be much more active and much more responsive than the GTO, though heavier and more complex.
The GTO was leaps and bounds over 4th gen stuff the zeta should be another leap over the GTO. As a former GTO owner there has been nothing in NA like this car. The quality and handling combined with the performance were amazing. I am a huge fan of the GTO and I hope the new Camaro builds on what was already a great car. I just hope GM doesn't screw the up the build quality.
I absolutely loved my goat it saved my life (thanks to an idiot running a stop sign).

This was the last time I saw it.

JEFF2010SSMANUAL · 08-12-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

Give me a freakin' break. They're saying a 60 pounds difference will make their car so much better????

Get real. A gallon of gasoline weighs 6.5 pounds, so every time they fill up they add a lot more than 60 pounds to their car. If that's their logic then just race them in a Camaro with 1/4 tank of fuel when they pull out of a gas station with a full tank!

BMW owners say that BMW is the best builder of cars with road feel. I was about to buy a 135i but I am TOO worried about turbo, wastegate, fuel pump, lag, electronic problems. You know what I mean, "The Ultimate Driving Machine"

Just wondering if the new SS will feel like a BMW. Its 52/48 distribution with a quality suspension.

JEFF2010SSMANUAL · 08-12-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gtahvit

My guess is yes, it should. We'll see what the official Ring times show. The initial practice times show it to be on par.

Check this tread out. Might be relevant.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5351

Very interesting, thankyou Sir.

I guess it will handle like a Bimmer.

AWESOME GM keep it up

spd98 · 08-12-2008, 08:38 PM

The G8 already does better than the BMW. So why would Camaro be different?

08-12-2008, 05:51 AM	#1
Cessna510 Gm loyalist Drives: 04 z71 tahoe\99 SS m6 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Baxter Springs Ks Posts: 362	Question about camaro and gto Ok so I was day dreaming about the camaro today when something struck me. Didn't the GTO have IRS? wasn't the GTO also a little heavy, isn't bumblebee a GTO? What are the advantages to the new zeta platform? I mean Gm could have stuck the ls3 and camaro body on a GTO chassis and achieved around the same performance numbers right? Please correct me if i'm very misinformed

08-12-2008, 11:10 AM	#9
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	My guess is yes, it should. We'll see what the official Ring times show. The initial practice times show it to be on par. Check this tread out. Might be relevant. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5351 __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

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08-12-2008, 06:00 AM	#2
kevin2323 Drives: challenger Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: miami Posts: 2,338	your right well just have to see what slight aerodynamics and zeta improve. It did improve the challengers performance by.1-.2 0--60

08-12-2008, 07:41 AM	#4
kevin2323 Drives: challenger Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: miami Posts: 2,338	yep it did have IRS. I hope the Zeta platform helps alot, if not I see it running not much better than the gto. That would make dodge owners happy .

08-12-2008, 09:15 AM	#6
Holden_Monaro Drives: Holden Commodore SS V8 RWD Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 4	the GTO was based on Holden's pre-zeta V-car architecture.. there are a lot of reasons why the zeta architecture is better. I don't know all the reasons, but I do know the difference between the way a GTO feels when you drive it and a zeta (Pontiac G8) feels when you drive it... As awesome as the GTO was (and still is), the new zeta architecture blows the old V-car architecture away.. Its all about the handling and feel - zeta is..well.. BMW-like in its road feel - you'll know what i mean if you take a G8 or Camaro for a good hard drive.

08-12-2008, 09:27 AM	#7
JEFF2010SSMANUAL JEFF2010SSMANUAL Drives: IOM 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northern IL Posts: 1,953	So the new Camaro SS should feel/handle like a BMW??? Even though the SS manual will weigh 3860#. The M3 sedan weighs 3800# so it should handle close to it correct??? Many BMW fans don't think so.

08-12-2008, 01:20 PM	#11
spd98 Drives: had a goat Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: atlanta, ga Posts: 351	The GTO and Camaro suspension wise have almost NOTHING in common. The GTO was more of a trailing link type setup while zeta is a 5 link setup. The zeta setup will be much more active and much more responsive than the GTO, though heavier and more complex. The GTO was leaps and bounds over 4th gen stuff the zeta should be another leap over the GTO. As a former GTO owner there has been nothing in NA like this car. The quality and handling combined with the performance were amazing. I am a huge fan of the GTO and I hope the new Camaro builds on what was already a great car. I just hope GM doesn't screw the up the build quality. I absolutely loved my goat it saved my life (thanks to an idiot running a stop sign). This was the last time I saw it.

08-12-2008, 08:38 PM	#14
spd98 Drives: had a goat Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: atlanta, ga Posts: 351	The G8 already does better than the BMW. So why would Camaro be different?