Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[jimmyh]

fwiw, all the LS3 dyno graphs I have seen show 350+ lbs-ft from 2000-redline.

The new 5.0 is below 300 until 3000-ish, and falls off more towards redline. So yes, it has great peak numbers, but it's not as stout as the LS. Which I suspect has everything to do with its smaller displacement.

[newmoon]

Hopefully I can give you some information Monday on this. Our car club is having a track day at the local 1/8 strip along with a Mustang Club on Sunday, I am sure I will run into a 5.0 there.

[Jcobra]

[QUOTE=Kermit1;3144425]Weight is the key, the camaro needs to shed about 300lbs.[/QUO

Well I dumped those shit can mufflers for the magnaflow muffler deletes. I've got some pfadt springs that need to go on (not that those will help) and a CAI will be ordered soon. My car only has 1500 miles so I want to wait a year before I void the warranty with a cam, headers, etc.....

[blizzpat]

5.0 is faster stock for stock. But I still think a geared SS is stock. Right gearing in an LS3 and I think the race gets much more interesting.....

[macwest]

Originally Posted by blizzpat

5.0 is faster stock for stock. But I still think a geared SS is stock. Right gearing in an LS3 and I think the race gets much more interesting.....

your right....Mustangs have gear advantage. 19" rims and 3.73 option gives them faster takeoff. equal that part up and SS will win since Camaro has torque advantage over mustang.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by blizzpat

5.0 is faster stock for stock. But I still think a geared SS is stock. Right gearing in an LS3 and I think the race gets much more interesting.....

Gears are certainly not stock, neither is a muffler delete or anything like that.

[NicksVSix]

Originally Posted by Jcobra

I guess this is one of the cases were displacement means nothing.

The SS has more HP and torque than the 5.0 but the Mustang weighs considerably less.

That's why why the Mustang is faster.

[JHL88]

Originally Posted by NicksVSix

The SS has more HP and torque than the 5.0 but the Mustang weighs considerably less.

That's why why the Mustang is faster.

the 5.0 actually has more peak power than the LS3 BUT the area under the curve is where the LS3 dominates, especially when it comes to torque.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by NicksVSix

The SS has more HP and torque than the 5.0 but the Mustang weighs considerably less.

That's why why the Mustang is faster.

THANK YOU! And you just put the nail in the casket. This is what most people overlook. The SS is not at all inferior to the 5.0, by a long shot,....it is just "hindered" by it's own weight, nothing more. The Mustang has the advantage but it's not a big enough one to just call it from the beginning. I think the LS3 engine makes all the power it needs to perform better than a 5.0, but the problem is the car weighs a little too much, not heavier than a challenger but it should have been made considerably less heavy maybe 4th gen territory.

It would have been terrirble! lol. I think for the SS to win it needs a really good driver, if not add some more power. The essentials; headers, exhaust, cai, and a tune, and if your really wanting to beat him, a cam. You'll have no problem with a 5.0 with just a full headers system and a tune.

[blizzpat]

Originally Posted by Stew

Gears are certainly not stock, neither is a muffler delete or anything like that.

All I meant was that with more aggressive gearing I believe the race would be more interesting.

Let's make things fair and give them both aggressive gearing and we'll see what happens. Will the torque give the SS the advantage or will the weight hinder it.

[BigDan]

I took this from another thread here and though it would shed some more light on the subject. Also, the quickest 5.0's all have the highest gear set's. 3.73 is actually the slowest in the 1/4 but can transform into the quickest by upping the redline, but then its no longer stock. Just raising the redline on the 5.0's is good for .2-.4 in the 1/4 because it runs into the factory soft limiter at 6,700rpm which is 600rpm short of what its capable of. The new 5.0L really comes into its own once you remove the pesky soft limiter and start banging gears at 7,300rpm.

Originally Posted by NoMercy

The mods to my Camaro are in my sig. My son has a new 2011 5.0 with the track pack and all he has done is an intake,tune,and exhaust and we are dead even with runs up to 150 mph on multiple attempts. I have access to a runway so no street racing here. I am very impressed with the new 5.0 as bad as that kills me to say... In fact he pulls me about a car down low but I pull back even with him once I shift into 3rd gear.

The mod breakdown on my sons 5.0 is cai,gutted cats, H pipe,slp loudmouth, and a tune.
He has since lowered it and put some nice wheels on. Both cars are sticks. Very impressive car...

Originally Posted by NoMercy

Yes thats what Im saying. I dont wanna believe it myself and it pisses me off!! LOL! In fact from a 40 roll or less he pulls ME about a car till I hit 3rd then I reel him back in and am door to door but thats it, I cant pull any further on him! Its time for a blower or a wet shot, cause now he's done got mouthy! LOL!

I know with him just adding those two mods on top of his tune and intake he went from my rear bumper to dead even with me on runs to 150!!
His car is LOUD!! But it sounds really good...

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by blizzpat

All I meant was that with more aggressive gearing I believe the race would be more interesting.

Let's make things fair and give them both aggressive gearing and we'll see what happens. Will the torque give the SS the advantage or will the weight hinder it.

Although the mustang still has a slightly shorter overall effective gear ratio with these gears, you may be surprised to hear that the fastest mustangs are actually the ones with the tallest gears. The 3.31 in the manual mustangs has put down the best ETs and trap speeds as the 3.73 equipped cars have a hard time sticking and need a shift to fifth before the beams. The fastest of all of the 5.0s is actually the auto with the 3.15 final drive.

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

THANK YOU! And you just put the nail in the casket. This is what most people overlook. The SS is not at all inferior to the 5.0, by a long shot,....it is just "hindered" by it's own weight, nothing more. The Mustang has the advantage but it's not a big enough one to just call it from the beginning. I think the LS3 engine makes all the power it needs to perform better than a 5.0, but the problem is the car weighs a little too much, not heavier than a challenger but it should have been made considerably less heavy maybe 4th gen territory.

It would have been terrirble! lol. I think for the SS to win it needs a really good driver, if not add some more power. The essentials; headers, exhaust, cai, and a tune, and if your really wanting to beat him, a cam. You'll have no problem with a 5.0 with just a full headers system and a tune.

Even if they could have gotten the SS out the door at 3650 if would be a screamer. Once the weight pushed into the 3800 range it hindered the car. But you are right, it still performs. With a couple hundred lbs. less it would dominate.

Originally Posted by BigDan

I took this from another thread here and though it would shed some more light on the subject. Also, the quickest 5.0's all have the highest gear set's. 3.73 is actually the slowest in the 1/4 but can transform into the quickest by upping the redline, but then its no longer stock. Just raising the redline on the 5.0's is good for .2-.4 in the 1/4 because it runs into the factory soft limiter at 6,700rpm which is 600rpm short of what its capable of. The new 5.0L really comes into its own once you remove the pesky soft limiter and start banging gears at 7,300rpm.

Take it any way you want I see a severe driver problem if he can't out run a bolt-on 5.0 with a cammed and tuned SS.

[fielderLS3]

With equally perfect launches, the 5.0 will be faster than an SS manual, but only by a razor thin margin. In the real world, whoever launches and shifts the best will win. If you race your friend, you won't find out who has the better car, but rather who is the better driver.

The LS3 does have a better torque curve than the 5.0, but its more aggressive transmission ratios make up for it. The Mustang finishes the quarter near the 4-5 shift (actually after with the 3:73 rear), while the Camaro finishes near the 3-4 shift.